Dear All, First of all I need to clarify something what I mentioned as "Kumbalodu Kovindaaa",because its off the track atleast by few members as I see in their mails. I read from the members,some concrete achievements like Farmer's poverty reduction,Mudhal Yathirai,Magazine,TV entry,Kovil thiruppani just to name a few. I felt really guilty for not doing anything concrete except the mails.Since my mails were not producing anything in that line as "concrete",I felt of calling my mails as "Kumbaloda Govindaa" among more than 230s here and 1000 messages here...
I am not sure why few members misunderstood or perhaps if many of you thought that way,I sincerely apologise for my "srcibblings" which was not well written for those who understood that way,which was definitely not my way of putting it.And moreover I will not be sending those mails if I thought that way.
But Thanks for the message anyway on Ms and Vs of the group.B4 looking that,
Apart from parents, the tamil teachers u get is also important. I would say my interest in tamil developed all because of excellent teachers i had in schools. I think the govt also played a parting spoiling the link.Aa a whole everthing right from govt to society must change to stop this rot.
Well said,In my opinion,The state has the major role in it more than anyone.
Personally speaking, it was due to my own interest that I started reading good Tamil books apart from my school books(of course, I was looked down upon for that. My friends thought that I was an old fashioned girl).
This is 200% true. This is what I called as "Power of Tamil keeps Tamil". Iron pieces being attracted by magnet something like this....
As for the Vs and Ms,even if I am not good contributor to any concrete works,I have few concerns,please note this is not any criticism,its only concerns.
* To enjoy, debade and analyze the characters and events of Ponniyin Selvan and other historic novels of Amarar Kalki.
I would much appreciate to relate it to the present time,rather than only to think in terms of the Cholas times or in the words of A.Kalki.Why not bring those to the present day characters,events?And see what has changed or evolved or whatever one may wants to call it in time-space movements.Most importanly what can we "LEARN" out of it.And how to bring Tamil to be a more respectable language among "Tanglish".
But here I am not defintely referring to "meesais" and "the number of wives".I mean on Tamil developments.
* To know and share vital information on Tamil and Indian history - particularly those around cholas.
"Vital Informations" - very catchy word.I wonder on these vital informations particularly on Cholas??????? This raises further question(courtesy:Einstein ) What is vital information?What is its use to the Tamil point of view is it vital?In what way it'll help Tamil or its growth or development from what we call as "Tanglish" to Tamil.
* To promote and share this interest in public; to raise the general awareness about our culture, Temples and heritage.
Excellent.Infact some members showed here the great enthusiasm,which later for some reason or other didn't come up,Or did I miss it....
My sincere concerns were/are/will be for the Tamil developments.Hope my concerns are put in the group which is good to receive suggestions and comments.
Have a wonderful time.
Best Wishes for Ms and Vs, Mathav
===== :-) Nothing will benefit human health or increase the chances for survival of life on earth as the evolution to a vegetarian diet-A.Einstein.
Before asking "What way this would help?", "will it be of kaal-kaasu prayOjanam?", I would like to clarify we are not a company or a business organisation. We are a group of people who share similar interests. In a Sachin Tendulkar fan Vlub, people will still talk abt. his century at Perth. What way that is going to help Indian Cricket? What way is it going to help the members of the group?
We have clearly stated in the group's title that we are all awed by this Magnum-Opus and the characters of chozha history have become part and parcel of our life. Each and every single minute detail abt. the chozha history gives us immense pleasure.
You are coming to a Chinese restaurent and asking "why do yous erve only chinese food here? why not be a 'worl restaurant' and serve pastas and pizzas and idlisi and chappathis". This group has not turned a blind ewye on other histories. but our primary concern is on chozhas. We believe in going in step by step. there is still so much discuss only on chozha heritage. if there is nothing left to talk abt. them, we will move on and discuss other histories and periods.
We sincerely appreciate your concerns on Thamizh heritage. But, I honestly feel that this group members know abt. what you are talking only too well. By making an appeal ever other day to save the thamizh you aren't saying anything new. while you objective analysis on 'what is holding thamizh from glory' is thought provoking, rest of your emotional appeals aren't too well with group. In your words, 'they aren't of much use in preserving thamizh', as we know all that only too well.
Hope you take this mail in right spirit and continue contributing to this group.
Dear All, I begin with Mahatma's "Persistent questioning and healthy inquisitiveness are the first requisite for acquiring learning of any kind. Inquisitiveness should be tempered by humility and respectful regard for the teacher. It must not degenerate into impudence. The latter is the enemy of the receptivity of mind. There can be no knowledge without humility and the will to learn." http://www.mkgandhi.org/edugandhi/index.htm
A long mail follows....couldn't help it...but only for another couple of days....as I would be off from computerssss for sometime....I see a sigh of relief in some. ;) 1.There is basically "nothing new" to be told,unless one knows what is "vital information" means in time-space for the seekerssssss...but even then it depends because "attitude to seek vital information".Atleast thats what the great souls sayssss...in from history...ofcourse one is allowed to have his/her own his-story as "HISTORY".Sorry in those times,"English" women were subjected to different treatments Unlike in Chola times or old Tamil times,so thats why we had Avaiyar....but they didn't have "HESTORY"...or perhaps it was actually "HESTORY",well I don't know,let me not go in there...
I see that sometimes, what one wants to tell is taken in a different sense.This may be for many reasons.... Looking at history,lets ask whats all that about Galielio Galilie punishment???http://es.rice.edu/ES/humsoc/Galileo/Bio/index.html
Instead of talking of cricket(I wish when would "English") games other than cricket would come to mainstream streets....And I wonder how many millions would then they receive if the Billion popultion takes to the games of football or basket ball or other games?So its a better strategy to keep playing a game not a competitive country. Like the idea of "English". Great way to please an "employee" that happened with cheap labours at those Fordisstt times with those immigrants which continues today "proudly" in the name of body shopping.... > Before asking "What way this would help?", "will it > be of > kaal-kaasu prayOjanam?", Kaal-kaasu Aaaa illa Kainiraiya Thangamaa...enakku mukkiyam illa.... I look at the intellectual values one gets in discussions....What does one "learn" is more important from history. And still people are interested in "vital informations"??????
Each and every > single minute > detail abt. the chozha history gives us immense > pleasure.
Great,does it mean we all the time talk of it and relate it only to discuss.... Whose "love" is greatest????Perhaps I would be in tune with such discussions couple of years before as an unexplored guy of world,but even if now I am not really explored I do know some and I would be interested to know more "meaningful" discussions... Than talking of whose direction would be suitable,will it be of XXX director with YYY cameraman with ZZZ actor....Thats not the way I like to bring and discuss PS,Chola character...or to discuss "there is no mustache" or to discuss "here on left thigh" and "number of wives"...(Apologies to some of you for being very rashhhh here....)This is not what I call as "immense pleasures".Perhaps as I earlier noted,if I continue in Chennai,I might enjoyed it and perhaps would come out with more silky names and fast music directors , but not anymore having got a glimse of the world history of science and technology and in what ways history has been used and mis-used even today by different people for different purpose.
Galileo's issue was only recently in 199x "formally" accepted by those who made him suffer....It took more than 300 years....For me with the introduction to history of science and tech. History is important and one needs to "learn" out of it,NOT ENJOY.Romance,perhaps but not history.Because most of the time history has been very very very painful.Ofcourse there are people who like to say "bombay" or "iruvar" being an enjoyable films.But certainly I am not that kind.
> > You are coming to a Chinese restaurent and asking > "why do yous > erve only chinese food here?
Yes,but if people coming to the Chinese restaurant wants to share "vital informations" of Chinese Myinggggggg Dynasty, I need to ask, do you know the "vital informations" of the "Englishhhh" rule which is less than 1000 years...Have we "learnt enough" from the recent history?
So it depends on "what happens" and what one sees inside the Chinese Restaurant to ask for Chappathis and Idleesss....
And moreover,I see people working inside the Chinese restaurant non-chinese,and an atmosphere of non-chineese,in your language for eg. some one who can cook Idlees and Chappatheesss are more in number even if the restaurant has Chinese Restaurant as its namesake.So it really shoudn't "surprise" if a visitor asks for thatn chappathis and pizza as there are lots of non chinese there...
By making an appeal ever > other day to save > the thamizh you aren't saying anything new.
So what kind of "vital informations" are you expecting from each and every mails?Please let me know and if I know that/those "vital information" I would think of it. Yes,may be I am "repeating" Tamil to be developed,grown,and not make it as Tanglish.Afterall when people talks of "whose love is greatest",I feel happy to repeat save Tamil... Afterall if Mahatma or Mahakavi or President's opinon cann't bring down the fever,What should make my appeal "anything" to you?Because I am only reminding what they and many other great souls have "already" said long long long time ago.... "I find daily proof of the increasing & continuing wrong being done to the millions by our false de-Indianizing education." http://www.mkgandhi.org/edugandhi/index.htm Members here wonder where is the link broken.... Link is above...And what have we done for it?Only a couple of concerns....But ofcourse I am happy atleast they came up. We want to praise and call someone who ruled on Indians as "LORD Curzonnnnn" among the many other "LORDS"....Not to mention the if there is any pride in calling someone with "GENERAL" for the Jalian Wallabagh? How can the society produce children who would love the local tradition,culture,language,etc....when they read such people with such "Tittles" Whats surprising to see them naturally attracted to these "Lords" and "Generals"????
while > you objective > analysis on 'what is holding thamizh from glory' is > thought > provoking,
Thanks for that,but,this doesn't make one happy....Had it been so called "Thought provoking",U would have sent numerous mails on "thought provoking" analysis and make everyone here as well and perhaps comes out with a different perspective as some members did that...
rest of your emotional appeals aren't too > well with > group. In your words, 'they aren't of much use in > preserving > thamizh', as we know all that only too well.
But it did "rise up" now when the thought provoking analysis didn't do to send a mail????Is it??? Strange,but true "thought provo
Dear All, > Sorry to ask this question but have you read > ponniyin selvan or Sivakamiyin Sabadham....If you > read them madhav you ll really understand how trivia > matter to people in the group.
Yes, had I read it I would be understand the pulse more and explain in their own frequency with chracters,incidents,etc... perhaps, I might love the characters and the rich flavour of Tamil by Kalki and might be well immersed like the rest of the members to say whose love is greatest.Please note,I am not against it...its just that I look at history differently,ONLY to learn.I don't want everyone to be in my shoes,but airing my thoughts to be aware of history as novel and as romance...or lessons..To all members I am not preaching even if my words are hard.I just air my opinions..Had I don't study "Introduction to world history of science and technology", I might have different look at history. > Secondly what are your veiws in improving and > propagating our heritage....that would be > interesting for the group.... Thanks for that.Even if there are many answers,one idea is of "BRIGING IN AS MANY AS SCHOOL CHILDREN" in the maximum number.Bring in College students...Rearch out to TN colledge students...We don't need to struggle,we just need to give them the "spark".Then it'll take care.If we really want to talk of our heritage,its those children who are to be given the dose,Didn't we hear on "parents" influence from our own members.I think thats a much faster way,anyway its only my opinion in words,if members and the concrete contributors thinks its fine.Think about it.
First of all, I would like to congratulate all the members of this group. The group is doing a great job. Sticking to the main objectives of the group is a great thing initself, in this distractive world,let alone other great efforts like bringing in experts, organising excursions into Chola Kingdom w.r.t. PS, helping organisations that are helping tamil and history in whatever humble way we could,news of how people help history/culture like temples and ofcourse the experts whose views are as great and real as ever.
While we understand the importance and urgency of "Keeping Tamil Alive", it might not be fair to force stop people from taking pleasure. We sure can talk about "Improving tamil" anywhere, but not about the history/fiction of PS.
It gives an immense pleasure to talk about the people and places of PS. I am sure you would have got the same pleasure and the feeling like time travelling 1000 years back into the chola kingdom and the "Kathai Nadantha Kaalam", when you had read PS. Now discussing the time,place and people of PS here gives us a similar feeling. There is nothing trivial in this. Everything is part of the time-travelling. It is a feeling which nothing else can give. It is a world in itself. We might be a bit selfish here.
I only appeal to you that you can't deny us this pleasure. Nor can you question this. It,just, might not be fair.
Having said that, you may send the off-topic "Long live Tamil" mails. They are definitely helpful for people who don't have that much awareness on why Tamil is great and why it is important to keep it alive. May be one day we shall all take a break and discuss how to effectively contribute towards the same. But I reckon you are going a bit too fast. The risk is you might breakdown. Try to slow down a bit and enjoy the journey , while keeping the same fervour alive for a long time.
The above two paragraphs might sound like advice, but sorry, I don't like talking in passive voice. I have tried the same(above paragraphs) and it is a great feeling. I enjoy it. I thought you could enjoy too.