Injustice to pallavas
  • Read an interesting post on this.The author says kalki did an
    injustice to pallavas.

    http://kuzhali.blogspot.com/2005/07/blog-post_31.html
  • What is said, may be correct.

    Pallavas, are belived to be one of Pathinenvelir, brought to south
    by Sage Agastya. So marabaal no Tamils, but , Varavaal Tamil.

    But, on the other hand, Pallava roots are traced to Cholas.

    Is it not, Koperunchingan, who Captures RajaRajan III?

    Rajendhra Cholan!
  • vanakkam,

    I also read the same in 'Alawayazhagan' by Jegasirpiyan, is it true?
    The author says, Koperunghinganan was a direct descendant of the
    Pallavas and he was ruling as the sitrarasan of Thirunavalur nadu from
    Sendhamangalam.

    swetha
  • Dear Sampath
    interesting Read..More interesting is the similarities in the Mamallapuram Ankorwat complex pictures..
    I dont think the Kalki is to be blamed for Pallavas lack of importance as she has said there is still a debate as to the origin of pallavas..some even claming they were from the far east..or from north...

    Kalki doesnt make Arulmozhi or VD very valiant as Narasimha pallava in all fairness one stays in the Viharam and the other gets rescued by all sorts of people they are more human heros (at least as far as PS) than the calculating and stragetic Narasimha pallava
    I dont think Kalki can be balmaed if at all anything he created an an awareness...in the darkness of our heritage
  • Dear sri,

    kalki actually glorfied pallavas by writing 'sivakamiyin
    sabatham'.Had ponniyin selvan wasnt written SS would have been the
    greatest historical novel ever written in tamil.He also wrote
    parthiban kanavu.

    Pallavas were great kings.But they ruled for a short period 3
    centuries only.Chera,chola and pandyas were there from ramayan
    period till middle of 2nd millenium.So they deserve to be claled as
    moovendar.
  • you can also understand from SS that tamil wasnt a main language in Pallava's period. sanskrit was the main language.

    that could be the main reason that pallavas were not well appreciated by the tamil poets.
  • dear all
    kalki actually gave more credit to the pallavas than they deserved on
    the religious front. for most of his life mamalla's father the
    pallava king was a bigot and a tyrant. tortured hindus mercilessly.
    during the last days he became a hindu. kalki makes him look like a
    benovelent king.
    actually he was the guy who tied appar onto a stone pillar and cast
    him into the sea.
    in ss he is telling his son that appar had to be evacuated before
    pulikesi came
  • Venkatesh,
    mahendravarma torturing appar is found only in shavite puranas and
    not an ounce of evidence for this is found in any kalvettus or
    records.If such an incident happened why dint a single kalvettu
    record this?

    Do you really believe that appar came alive from sunnambu kalavai
    and floated in stone in sea water?

    I believe in God and everybody in this forum knows that.But IMHO
    miracles ended with krishnavathar.In kaliyug miracles arent
    possible.God still keeping earth alive after all the atrocities
    mankind has done is the greatest miracle.
  • dear Sampath
    Dear Sampath
    Miracles are god's visiting cards.
    I dont think he has run out of them after krishna avataar.
    perhaps in our fast moving world we fail to observe them.
    too often they are termed as just co incidences
    we discussed that in the group earlier but no harm repeating.

    the fishermen of killai village near chidambaram have the traditional
    right/ habit of pulling nataraja's charriot on arudra darisanam.
    last year the whole village came and camped in chidambaram and the
    puja to the charriot with the idol was performed around 8.30.

    around that time the tsunami sank their entire village. not a single
    casualty. you might ask why did the tsunami hurt them economically
    and i might not have an answer but I personally saw these people on
    the day of their saving, and in them saw the hand writing of god.
  • > mahendravarma torturing appar is found only in shavite puranas and
    > not an ounce of evidence for this is found in any kalvettus or
    > records.If such an incident happened why dint a single kalvettu
    > record this?



    sampath we have had heated discussions on the aspect whether
    kalvettus are the pillar holding up tamil history.

    giving so much importance to them without tracing other sources are a
    great mistake we will do as serious historians.

    first of all almost all your kalvettus are in temples. the priority
    of these kalvettus was to establish grants for them.

    for example if you read karuvurars thiruvisaipa he describes tanjore
    town on its hey day( possibly on the kumbabishekam day of periya
    koil) and there are people who say he did not even live in that
    period because there is no kalvettu)

    kalvettus in the big temple are mainly to those who gave to the temple
    ( as grants) and those who received from the temple(as salaries)
    karuvur siththar was in no position for both.
    the thirumurais are perhaps the most popular written documents
    we have from the period we are studying( 6- 10th century anno domini)
    they may not be your history books but they just cannot be ignored.
    even periya puranam describing the saints was written in the later
    chola period.

    two of the greatest kings mahendran and nedumaran of the period (the
    pallavas and pandyas) were converted to hindus during the period of
    sambanthar and apar. i for one beleive nothing shot of a miracle
    could have persuaded these two bigots to change their spots.

    if I have to beleive somebody, I d rather beleive a saint than a
    stenographer.
  • ..... aana oru vishayam... saints ai ippadi damage panradhu
    gnayamaaa???

    saints to my knowledge may be people transcending the boundaries of
    time and space and karuvur sidhdhar may be one.....

    and regarding appar, that u will believe a stenographer ... idhellaam
    konjam over sir....
  • nenjai nakkiteenga sir.....

    "..kallaal oruvan adikka... gaandebam ennum villlal oruvan adikka.."
    indha maadhiri pannavangaluke aruliya aadalvallaan..... varushaa
    varusham aarudhraavuku ther izhukkum makkalukku aruliyadhil
    aachariyam enna???

    i remember a conversation with somebody.... where in i was asking him
    that if everything would happen as per fate then why worshi god???

    the person replied... worshipping god is to minimise casulaities..
    for instance , fate may dictate that i may go to parrys corner from
    my residence.. but my worshipping would decide whether i would take
    the crowded bus or a comfortable car.....

    people may say that that is also fate.. i am not in a position to
    argue...

    but now poeple may think... why am i in Uganda , rwanda and other
    places?? fate or improper worshipping??? avan mattume arivaaan....

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