Chola Gangam built after Kadaram expedition - why?
  • dear all,

    the following are the verses of Tiruvalangadu copper plates which gives Rjc's ganges conquest details... pls have a look. especially the last two verses...




    (V. 109.) This light of the Solar race, laughing at Bhagiratha who had brought down the Ganga (to the earth from heaven) by the power of (his) austerities, wished to sanctify his own country with the waters of the Ganga (i.e., the river Ganges) carried thither through the strength of (his) arm.

    (V. 110.) Accordingly (he) ordered the commander of the army who had powerful battalions (under his control), who was the resort of heroism (and) the foremost of diplomats, — to subdue the enemy kings occupying (the country on) the banks of that (river).

    (V. 111). Before him, as from the slopes of the Himalayas, marched a very large army like the tremendous volume of the waters of the Ganga with wavy rows of moving horses, causing all the quarters to resound with its confused clamour.

    (V. 112.) The van of his army crossed the rivers by way of bridges formed by herds of elephants. The rest of the army (crossed the same) on foot, (because) the waters in the meantime had dried up being used by elephants, horses and men.

    (V. 113.) The soldiers of Vikrama-Chola having reached the points of the compass (first) by the dust raised by crowds of elephants, horses and foot-men, quickly entered (next) the country of hostile kings.

    (V. 114.) That general of the ornament of the Solar race first conquered Indraratha (and) captured the country of that jewel of the Lunar race to meet him (on the battlefield) with very powerful elephants, horses and innumerable foot-soldiers.

    (V. 115.) The white parasol of that king, the jewel of the Lunar race, fell (to the ground) its (supporting) staff and top being cut (asunder) in battle by sharp arrows, as if the disc of the moon (fell), distressed by the defeat (of her descendant).

    (V. 116.) Then having robbed Ranasura of his prosperity he entered the extensive dominions of Dharmapala. (And) conquering him too, this General of the king of Sibis (i.e., of Rajendra-Chola) reached the celestial river (Ganga).

    (V. 117.) The dandanayaka then immediately got the most sacred waters of that (river) carried to his master Madhurantaka by the subjugated chiefs on the banks of that (Ganga river).

    (V. 118.) (Meantime) Rajendra-Chola (himself) with a desire to conquer (enemy kings) reached the river Godavari and by the scented cosmetics on his body (washed away) during a playful bath in the waters (of that river) caused her (i.e., the Godavari river) to be suspected (of enjoyment with a stranger) by the lord of rivers (i.e., the ocean).[3]

    (V. 119.) The powerful General had (just then) got the waters of the Ganga carried to his master (Rajendra-Chola), after having defeated Mahipala and having taken possession of his fame, splendour and precious gems.

    (V. 120.) The heroic king killed in battle (the lord of) Odda who was carrying on the orders of the king of the Kali (-age),[4] together with (his) younger brother and (his) army and then forcibly took possession of (his) rutting elephants.

    (V. 121.) There, the king with his own hand (and) from the (back of the) elephant mounted by himself, killed a mad elephant that ran at him with its trunk raised.

    (V. 122.) He (then) entered his own (capital) town, which by its prosperity despised all the merits of the abode of the gods, — his lotus feet (all along) being worshipped by the kings of high birth who had been subdued (by him).

    (V. 123.) Having conquered Kataha with (the help of) his valiant forces that had crossed the ocean, (and) having made all kings bow down (before him) this (king) (Rajendra-Chola) protected the whole earth for a long time.

    (V. 124.) (This) lord constructed in his own dominions as a pillar of victory (a tank) known by repute as Cholagangam which was composed of the waters of the Ganges.



    the verse 123 says about kataram conquest the next verse says about errection of cholagangam ( the pillar of victory by water ).

    by these verses the words of the scholars are confusing by distinguishing ganges and kadaram conquests are separate one.

    do any scholar has notified and dealt with these statements?

    could any of our learned members, pls clarify about this?




    Thanking You

    sakthisree
  • To me it seems that Rajendra went to Odhisa and West Bengal where Ganga
    flows, from there he turned west towards Godavari and later returned to
    south.
    v115 - Lunar dynasty referred in this verse would be of Odhisa only. Lunar
    dynasty of Kosala was probably not contemporary of Rajendra, I will check on
    this on my next study of the Somvamshis of Kosala. The name Dharmpala I have
    heard before somewhere, other names like Indraratha, I will try to get
    information on that.
    v120 - This Odda might be Odra which was situated west of Kalinga, probably,
    Odra is an ancient kingdom, I will check its location and let you know.
  • This Ganga is located at Gokarna. This is Called Ganga Kingdom. Rajendra Chola inscriptions are available with Mysore temples.

    I already posted this in History of Gokarna in this group.

    If you wish I will send this again.
  • There is a river Gangamma near Gokarna, and there is a place called lakkundy.

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jainhistory/message/348

    The Big temple has the similar Mandapa that of a mandap in Lakkundy.
  • in South India should have participated in the conquest which
    means there was no other activity but only invasion, capture and
    killing of people all through ! Is it possible or the usual
    exaggerated disinformation ?

    veegopalji
  • Some of them could be en route ; that was the order of the

    day; whether it was RJC or Genghis Khan all were one and

    the same when it came to invasion! At least Ashoka the

    great had his realisation! Later on RRC - seeking salvation
    through building several temples !

    veegopalji
  • or was it like this - win a territory - recruit those locals ( or take charge of that army) and go to next territory.

    I am only speculating.
  • In a book deals with the history of Kosalas says,there is a notification in the
    records of Rajathiraja says that he was receiving tribute from the kousalas
    (i.e) kosalas. do any one remember about this inscription or copper plate?



    It happened to notice that, except Rjc, no other king in the whole history of
    Barathavarsha claimedas " Gangai Kondan " ( Ganga Vijayee ).even though a no.
    of southern kings records says that his Northern border was Ganga .


    Northern kings also never claimed such Title.



    In this tiruvalangadu copper plates, a notification about Baghiratha, a king who
    brought the Ganges to the Earth... all the scholars who speaks about him, says
    that the Ganga, after reached the Earth, divided into seven streams.




    The Central stream named as Bagirathi ( present name as Ganges flows through
    india and Bangladesh and reaches bay of bengal ) fulfilled the purpose of its
    arrival to the earth.

    three Eastern streams are

    Hladini - flows through tibet, assam, bangladesh reaches bay of bengal

    pavani- flows through Indradwipa andSwarnadwipa.

    nalini - flows through saimi mandala ( the Siam )



    The western streams are


    Sita - flows throgh no. countries and reaches western sea.

    chaksu - flows throgh no. of countries and reaches western sea

    sindhu - flows through no. countries and reaches " sindhu sagara " the arabian
    sea.




    I think Rjc could claim as " Gangai Kondan" after winning the countries situated
    along these all the seven streams of Ganges. (asit is notified in the Copper
    plate )


    as it has been explained by the scholars the countries mentioned in Rjc's
    Meikeerthi ( prasasthi ), from dandabkukthi to Manakkavaram ( mentioned in
    Kadaram expedition ) falls in the regions of the central stream and eastern
    streams of Ganges.




    do anyone haveIdea or locations about the western streams?or  do those
    countries appear in Meikeerthi?



    thanking you

    sakthi sree
  • Hi Shakti,
    'Gangai Kondan' is not a standard title to be claimed by the kings, its not
    like doing ashvamedha which is a standard yagna. So I feel it would be wrong
    to compare on this line.
    Please give the name of the book in which it is mentioned.
    Splitting of Ganga into seven streams is a mythical account however if you
    want to prove then it can be proved by counting various streams of Ganga and
    you will find more than seven, but all small streams. Just saying Gangai
    Kondan, does not mean that the every region falling on this stream has to be
    conquered, however it can be true as well. The deciding factor would be if
    the conquered regions fall along with the main stream. Gangai Kondan may be
    victory in West Bengal or conquering the Himalayas from where it starts.
    We can put forward theories, but if we can also provide substantial proofs
    then the theory will have a value otherwise it can be taken just as an
    imagination.
    One things, I am not sure if Sindhu can be taken as a tributary river of
    Ganga, Indus has its own origin and flow quite separate from Ganga.
    I will try to find more on these seven streams and will let you know.
  • Dear sir,

    Pls check with the book " D.C.sircar's , The studies in the geography of ancient and medieval India ". In this book he explained the seven streams of Ganga with it's puranic notifications from vayu, matsya, brammanda etc. Along with the notifications of Alberuni.


    Thanking You

    Sakthi sree
  • i want to know the worshipping way in swamimalai. whether first u have to worship lord murugan then come down to lord shiva or how it should be. whether any separate way of making worship s there.
  • Dear friends,

    I had a chat with Mr.Hegde of Srigokarna Mahabaleshwara Temple (09449258114) He said the Gangama river has seven streams. This Gokarna and Gangama river were ports. The Arabian Sea coincides with this Ganga River, and exports were made during chola period.
    The stone for building Big Temple might have been lifted from here/ or somewhere near shipped to Mannar galf and then to Kaveri in boats.

    More over Albruni visited this place!
  • Dear sir,

    The Gangapadi already under the cholas from the time of Rrc, notified in his meikeerthi. At kolar Erayiram Pallavaraya and at kudamalai kshatriya sighamani kongalwa ( alias Rajendra kongalwa) were the protectors of those regions.

    The gokarna in the meantime of Rjc was in the possession of kadambas, who over thrown the southern silaharas and captured Goa ( the sandimatheevu) with gokarna.


    Details as said by the scholars.

    Thanking You

    Sakthi sree
  • Dear sir,

    The Gangapadi already under the cholas from the time of Rrc, notified in his meikeerthi. At kolar Erayiram Pallavaraya and at kudamalai kshatriya sighamani kongalwa ( alias Rajendra kongalwa) were the protectors of those regions.

    The gokarna in the meantime of Rjc was in the possession of kadambas, who over thrown the southern silaharas and captured Goa ( the sandimatheevu) with gokarna.


    Details as said by the scholars.

    Thanking You

    Sakthi sree
  • dear all,

    pls Look for the attachment.

    Map of the seven streams of Ganga.

    1. Bagirathi @ Ganges



    The eastern streams

    2. Hladini @ Brahmaputra
    3. Pavnai @ Irawaddy
    4. Nalini @ Mekong


    The western streams

    5. Sita @ Syr Darya
    6. Chakshu @ Amu Darya
    7. Sindhu @ Indus



    The countries Notified in Meikeerthi of Rjc ... From Dandabukthi @ the border
    regions of present ORISSA and West bengal To some countries in the Kadaram
    Regions are situated around Thailand and Burma... seems to be notifies the
    Eastern Streams regions.



    Pls have a look at the attached file and share your views...

    thanking you

    sakthi sree
  • Inscriptions at Suthur alias Stotrapur in Mysore Dist
    Copied in 1895, 12 th Oct., RefASI library Chennai
  • Many time i get confused with various statements in Anbil, Thiruvaalangadu, Velanjeri copper plates / Kanyakumari inscriptios and the diff in sanskrit and tamil versions ofa same plate.Now the Indhalur plates.

    I just took only Rama details and left at it.
  • I had the opportunity of visiting Kurukshetra some years back
    where there is a big tank [pushkarani]. Legend has it that

    Pandavas, afterthe Mahabharata war, Pandavas performed the

    "Utharakiriya" in this pond for their kins and ancestors including the

    enemies [Gauravas]who were their blood relations to prevent

    the effects of "sisuhaththi dosham". Like,in ancient times,
    during the wars when the sun set, the warring factions declared

    ceasefire for the day! Among other dharmas, they also had the

    inclination to perform the karma when people died in wars irrespective
    of whether they were friends or foes. Maybe that was the order
    of the day that was why Rajendra too performed this after the northern
    invasion and, brought the holywaters of Ganges and purified

    Gangaikonda choleswaram besdes performing the obsequies of his
    ancestors. Gangesflows right from the Himalayan region "Gangotri"

    and joins Bay ofBengal through Hoogly river at Calcutta. So Bengal
    could be related.


    Even today in Hindu dharma/karma, the holy ganga water plays an

    importantrole like we store the sealed ganga water in our pooja

    to use itwhen somebody dies on the belief that the departed soul

    attains "moksha". Perhaps it was a long cherished dream of Rajendra

    to do it for his forefathers and eventually he lead the expedition
    himself !

    Through his naval expedition Rajendra should have reached Himalayas

    through the sea route to avoid the innumerable kingdoms in Madhya
    Pradesh to reach the Ganges. Himalayan route, after all, is an
    unknown territory forany south indian king's invasion.


    Bangla Desh [East Pakistan] is also part of Bengal and Rajendra

    could have reached "Maasuni Desam" [may be the present "Nagaland"]

    which is also partof the Himalayan region. He would have taken
    the Nagapattinam-Calcutta sea route to reach Bengal [Bangladesh]
    as one account says during his time the chola naval forces were
    using mechanical vessels !


    These liks are worth readinghttp://books.google.com/books?id=njYpsvmr2dsC&pg=PA151&lpg=PA151&dq=masuni+desam&source=bl&ots=EWSjmj7wXV&sig=ZBieFbVbBfAC_AkVipgsbS5J6Cc&hl=en&ei=EjJyTunoDZDIrQeu9eijBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=masuni desam&f=false
    http://books.google.com/books?id=htArUg0OMpcC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=masuni+desam&source=bl&ots=JDf8UhdKqd&sig=HMoT758z_7ZpG7p2UaC7mRBz0kc&hl=en&ei=EjJyTunoDZDIrQeu9eijBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=masuni desam&f=false

    http://www.indiamapatlas.com/transport/india-sea-route-map.html#

    http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006042826956


    veegopalji
  • Dear sir,

    The journal " chola invasion on Bengal " by A.C. Banerji's main objective is refusing the " Ganges crossing by elephant bridge".

    According to meikeerthi line " Thodu kadar sangam Otta Mahipalanai venjamar valagaththu anjuviththaruli " of Rjc , the war between 4 rulers of bengal and Rjc commenced at the river mouth, Seems to be the port of tamralipti. Possibly the navy of Rjc took part.

    It shows that army never enter into deep Bengal to cross Ganges. Mahipala's Capital was " Munghir " in Bihar.


    According to the maximum height of Asian elephants of 11.5 feet, is there any possible depth range in ganges river course, fordable by elephant bridge?

    Anyone have analysed ?



    Thanking You

    Sakthi sree
  • Any inscriptions?
    Any wars?
  • >
    > According to the maximum height of Asian elephants of 11.5 feet, is there any possible depth range in ganges river course, fordable by elephant bridge?
    >

    didnt pulikesi do the same on the kollidam?




    > Anyone have analysed ?
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanking You
    >
    > Sakthi sree
    >
  • remember reading the inscription ref

    http://www.archive.org/details/pallavas034964mbp

    V. 29) ......... He caused the splendour of the lord of the

    Pallavas, who had opposed the rise of his power, to be obscured
    by the dust of his army, and to vanish behind the walls of
    K&fichtpura.



    '67

    (V. 30) When straightway he strove to conquer the Chdjas,
    the Kftv6ri, who has the darting corps for her tremulous eyes, had
    her current obstructed by the causeway formed by his elephants
    > whose rutting-juice was dripping down, and avoided the contact
    with the ocean.


    http://www.poetryinstone.in
    “*Here the language of stone surpasses the language of man*” – Nobel
    laureate, Rabindranath Tagore
  • The ganges near the banks may not be so deep like how the
    seashore descends alongside Bay of Bengal and one potential
    threat in the Ganga waters is crocodiles !

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rajendra_map_new.png

    veegopalji
  • Dear sirs,

    Before analyzing about the Ganges river crossing, I feel, its
    Better to Confirm the Route of Rjc as notified in Meikeerthi. then only we can
    say where he crossed the Ganges...


    here i would like to share the Details of the scholars and my
    Findings related to their words...

    I feel that, without a clear route details we can not say where
    the army crossed...



    at First,

    I give the details of Madhura mandalam, which is the next country
    notified in melkeerthi after sakkarakkottam which is being accepted by the
    scholars as Present Bastar region in Chattisgarh state of India... ( I will Give
    these details Later )

    Meikeerthi lines from 1. Epigraphia Indica volume 9
    2. Varalaaru.com " Kalvettayvu " serial.


    Madhura Mandalam :

    The meikeerthi line " Mudhir Pada Vallai Madura Mandalamum " .

    This line is explained by sri. Krishnaswamy ayyangar as " Madura
    mandalam with the Fort of Mudiri-pada " ( Ancient India, page 107 )...


    By sri. K.A.Nilakanda Sashthiriyar, as " Madura Mandalam Destroyed in a
    Trice " and give a foot note as " Hultzsch has : ' whose Forts Banners touched
    the clouds ' which has no support from the Text " ( the Cholas - page 207 and
    238 ) and locates it near sakkarakkottam.

    Mr.Hultzsch locates at " Northern mathura, in U.P, India "...


    Our's Virarajendra @ Hari sir, locates " northern Mathura in
    U.P, India ".

    Our's Kalinga Balu sir, Locates " Kalinjar, in U.P. India
    ( in connection with Ghazni Mahmud ) "




    I felt that there are some confusing statements about this place
    happens due to the no. of Tamil meanings for a single word.



    Now I try to analyze it Myself with the possible meanings of the
    Line,



    " Mudhir --- means -- Some thing Old "

    " Pada - do not give any right meaning with out connection to
    the next word "

    " Vallai -- there are no.of meanings given by Dictionaries while
    considering with the description of a country, Only Two meanings are relative.

    1. Fort 2. Great Forest "

    ( http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3dsal?dbname=tamillex&query=வல்லை&matchtype=exact&display=utf8,
    pls check the site of DDSA )

    now considering the meanings of Three words, the meanings of
    " vallai " gives two accounts,


    1.The Madhura Mandalam had an Old fort ( the word " Pada "
    seems to be non-operative by considering with, the word mudhir which
    clearly means old, Ripe... etc )

    check the Meaning of the word " Mudhir " in the following link.. ( DDSA web
    dictionaries )


    http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3dsal?dbname=tamillex&query=முதிர்&matchtype=exact&display=utf8




    now the line with the 2nd Meaning " Great forest "


    Here I consider the writing procedure in tamil, as the poet has
    avoided a letter to make this line in a format of verse


    " Mudhir pada ( l ) vallai madhuramandalam ( முதிர் பட(ல்) வல்லை மதுர மண்டலம்
    ) ".


    This is because of, ல் ( l ) must be played in a silent manner, when வ ( va
    ), is the next letter... seems to be a writting or composing procedure in
    tamil.... such silent wordings are usual in tamil literatures...


    Now we get a direct meaning of the word " pada(l) means Fence ( வேலி )...

    Now the whole line gives a meaning as " the Madhura Mandalam which was
    protected by a Great Forest, for a long time "



    here, I got a struck with a detail when I read about " MAHABAN " (
    which is an Arab people's notification of " MAHAVANA " which means " great
    Forest " ) in connection with Northern Madhura,

    from an account of Ghazni Mahmud ( 998 to 1030 - Ruling years, The Life and
    Times of Sultan Mahmud of Ghazna by Mr. Muhammad Nazim )


    here pls have a look at the attached document " Mathura war " to understand the
    nature of Mahavana ( from the book " The Kitab - i - Yamini by Al - Utbi and
    Translators )...

    in this account the author Al - Utbi ( a secretory of Ghazni Mahmud ) , says
    Mahrah or the country of Kaljand ( for Mathura ) and do not give the name "
    Mahaban ", but the later historians like Al - Gardizi, Unsuri gives its name...

    from the Explanation of Al -utbi we could understand the size of " Mahavana ",
    as it could hide a large army in it....


    Its location is 6 miles south - east to Mathura ( by Muhammad Nazim and Many
    others )

    Mathura was situated on the Eastern Bank of Yamuna in the time of Rjc, as
    recorded by Al-Beruni and explained by Alexander cunningham

    ( At present , mathura situated on the West of Yamuna )...

    For its time reference, scholars says " Mahavana is the Playing spot of
    Krishna, the Mahabharatha fame "

    Now Its assumable that,

    Madhura Mandalam is " Madhura in U.P, which was protected by a Great Forest "
    ,

    by means of its suffix as Mandalam, scholars assumes that , it belongs to the "
    Masuni Desam " ( I will give this details Later )


    here Its acceptable that Rjc's army must penetrate the Mahavana to reach
    Mathura, from South,

    so that we can conclude that, it may be the Right destination...



    Am I Right?


    Expects the views of all, to proceed the next destinations as per my Analysis
    ...



    Thanking You....

    sakthi sree
  • Dear Sakthi:

    Like any river, Yamuna too had banks on either side and

    your analysis might be true that Mathura existed on both sides
    of River Yamuna ! Legend has it that Sri Krishna played
    with his friends in the forests and also killed several

    asuras in these forests! This could be the place of RJC as

    analysed by you. Great work !

    veegopalji





    The beautiful Yamuna, India's most sacred river flows through the transcendental land of Vrindavana.
    Yamunotri, which is north of Haridwar in the Himalayas Mountains, is where the holy Yamuna River begins. It is about 234 km north of Haridwar. Technically the source of the Yamuna is Saptarishi Kund, a glacial lake. To get thunotri the Yamuna flows south until it reaches Delhi. It then flows to Brajnd eventually merges with the Ganges and the underground Saraswati at Prayag (Allahabad).

    The main reason it is so sacred is because it flows through Vrindavana and Mathura, and was thus intimately connected to Lord Krishna's pastimes.

    The Yamuna River and the Ganges are considered the most sacred rivers in India.
    "As far as sanctity is concerned, the River Yamuna is more directly connected with Lord Krishna than the Ganges. The Lord sanctified the River Yamuna from the beginning of His transcendental pastimes in the world. While His father Vasudeva was crossing the Yamuna with baby Lord Krishna for a safe place at Gokula on the other bank of the river from Mathura, the Lord fell down in the river, and by the dust of His lotus feet the river at once became sanctified." (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.19.6)



    A bath in this river is said to be one hundred times more purifying than a bath in the Ganges. The reason being that even though the Ganges was once touched by the feet of Lord Vishnu, it was the Yamuna where Lord Krishna Himself played and swam with His cowherd boyfriends; He also sported in its waters with the beautiful gopi damsels of Vraja.

    The traditional bathing place of most pilgrims is at Kesi ghata, where Lord Krishna bathed after killing the Kesi demon. The Yamuna has been flowing here at Kesi ghata since ancient times. One who takes bath in the river Yamuna is freed from all past sins and contamination of this material world. That person will also gradually become a pure devotee and achieve liberation by returning to the spiritual world to personally associate with Lord Sri Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.



    "According to the Varaha Purana, as quoted by Srila Jiva Gosvami, there is no difference between the water of the Ganges and the Yamuna, but when the water of the Ganges is sanctified one hundred times, it is called the Yamuna. Similarly, it is said in the scriptures that one thousand names of Vishnu are equal to one name of Rama, and three names of Lord Rama are equal to one name of Krishan." (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.19.6 purport)

    "Simply by bathing in the Yamuna, anyone can diminish the reactions of his sinful activities." (Krishna Book, Chap 38)

    "By taking bath in the Yamuna River people are liberated and become Krishna conscious." (Caitanya Caritamrita Antya 4.98 purport)

    "There are many devotees in Vrindavana who regularly bathe in the Yamuna, and this cleanses all the contamination of the material world." (Srimad Bhagavatam 5.8.31)

    "One should not give up the process of austerity. If possible, one should bathe in the water of the Yamuna. This is an item of austerity. Therefore, our Krishna consciousness movement has established a center in Vrindavana so that one may bathe in the Yamuna, chant the Hare Krishna mantra and then become perfect and return back to Godhead." (Srimad Bhagavatam 6.5.28 purport)

    "The Yamuna River washed Krishna's lotus feet when the Lord appeared in Vrindavana five thousand years ago. Lord Krishna sported daily with His boys and girlfriends in the Yamuna River and consequently that river is also caranamrita." (Srimad Bhagavatam 11.6.19)
  • alexander crossed the indus on a bridge of boats
  • Btw, elephants are excellant swimmers ..google for elephants swimming between islands in the andamans
  • dear sirs,

    Thiruvalangadu copper plates states also men crossed by foot... this one gives a
    view that the river flow is considerably low as it is crossable by walk...

    the purpose of elephant bridge, to transport the Caravans pulled
    by the Bulls...

    while comparing both men and bull, it could be assumed that the
    depth of water flow may be more than 3ft and less than 5ft.

    Then, the Elephant bridging seems to be the Bridge must be a
    Ground Level Bridge and May not be a Bridge above or Below the Ground level...

    here the Ground level is the depth of water from the Bank of the
    river.


    the connecting element used for bridging the elephants may be Wooden Planks. (
    i.e ) the wooden plank must be placed on the elephant's back from the bank...


    It is assumable that, as it was a Ground level bridging, both
    the banks must be with in a the depth range of Elephant's height range of 6.6 ft
    to 11.5 ft.

    for the equal height range of bridging, whole depth range of the
    river must be with in the same height range of elephants ( 6.6 to 11.5 )

    Such course of water flow only appears in a channel type river
    course...


    Is this right?
  • dear sir,

    yours mathura of U.P, was fully surrounded by 12 forests,


    The twelve Vanas of Mathura- mandala or Braja-mandala are Madhuvana, Talavana,
    Kumndavana, Vrindavana, Khadiravana, Kamyakavana, Bahula-vana on the western
    side of the Jamuna; Mahavana, Vilva-vana, Loha- vana, Bhanditra-vana and bhadra
    vana on the eastern side of jamuna...


    from the book of

    Encyclopaedia of ancient Indian geography

    by subodh kapoor...



    In the history of Bharatha varsha, only three Mathuras appears no.of. times...
    1. madhurai - tamilnadu, india
    2.mathura - U.P., india
    3. uttara madra - in the northwest division( uttarapatha ) ( I can not find
    exact location


    Rjc's mathura - mandala differs, by no.of countries in Ganges-yamuna doab,
    governor of this mandala was at Mathura. my locating is both political
    and etymological based sir...


    i will give those details later in the details of Masuni Desam.


    thanking you

    sakthi sree
  • Constructing Elephant Bridges is an old Indian Game.Kalidasa mentions this in his Raguvamsa.Ragu crossed the River Kapisa using the Elephant Bridge to defeatthe Kalinga King !!!http://www.studentorg.umd.edu/desi/article59.htm
    Had googled, its very nice to see elephants swimming in the Indian Ocean.
    Regards,S.KarthikVandemataram
  • dear sirs,

    Thiruvalangadu copper plates also states men crossed by foot... this one gives a view that the river flow is considerably low as it is crossable by walk...

    the purpose of elephant bridge, to transport the Caravans pulled by the Bulls...

    while comparing both men and bull, it could be assumed that the depth of water flow may be more than 3ft and less than 5ft.

    Then, the Elephant bridging seems to be the Bridge must be a Ground Level Bridge and May not be a Bridge above or Below the Ground level...

    here, the Ground level is the depth of water from the Bank of the river.


    the connecting element used for bridging the elephants may be Wooden Planks. ( i.e ) the wooden plank must be placed on the elephant's back from the bank...

    It is assumable that, as it was a Ground level bridging, both the banks must be with in a the depth range of Elephant's height range from 6.6 ft to 11.5 ft.

    for the equal height range of bridging, whole depth range of the river must be with in the same height range of elephants ( 6.6 to 11.5 )

    Such course of water flow only appears in a channel type river course...

    While bridge construction, a condition also appears, that is, the opposite bank must be free from enemies...



    Thanking You

    Sakthi sree

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