Indus valley civilization is indeed vedic
  • Dr sridhar rathnam,

    The major god of Mohangedaro was pasupathi.If this proof is not
    enough I am proceeding further.

    Excavations at the Harappan sites have yielded many fire altars
    terracotta ladles as were used in yajnas, and (in some cases) pieces
    of bangles, pottery and animal bones in these altars (as in certain
    Vedic sacrifices). The book Lothal and the Indus Civilization by Dr
    SR Rao shows photographs of these altars (Plates XXXVI A-D and
    XXXVII A-B)

    LANGUAGE OF INDUS VALLEY:
    The identification of the language spoken by the Indus prople is
    very crucial significance for Indian History. If they spoke a
    Dravidian language, it would certainly corroborate the Aryan
    invasion theory according to shich a Dravidian civilization in the
    north was destroyed by invading Aryans. If, however, they spoke an
    Indo-European language, it would certainly demolish the invasion
    theory, since the Indus civilization is archaelogically dated more
    than a millenniem and a half - almost two millenniums - before the
    alleged date (1500 BC) of the invasion, and its roots go even
    further back by more than a millennium.

    But the main problem in identifying the language of the Indus people
    was that they did not leave behind documents and inscriptions in
    their language. The only things, in this connection, excavated by
    archaeologists from the Indus sites were thousands of small seals
    (used for stamping purposes) made of seatite, terracotta or copper,
    depicting figures of human beings and animals, and bearing short
    inscriptions of a few letters each, in an unknown script which has
    been simply called the Indus or Harappan script.

    The major obstacle in deciphering the script was the inadequacy of
    the available material. The script was an absolutely unknown one, it
    was not found anywhere in conjunction with another known script and
    the inscrip- tions on the seals were nowhere of any great length
    than a few letters each...

    ....many attempts were made to decipher the Indus script, by
    individual scholars like Langdon, Hunter, Hronzy, Mahadevan and
    others, and by teams of Finnish and Soviet scholars. All these
    attepts, however, met with failure. Moreover, these scholars set out
    on the exercise of attempted decipherment was based on arbitrary and
    whimsical methods. Moreover, these scholars set out on the exercise
    with two preconceived notions: first, that the script could not be
    an alphabatic one, and could only be pictographic- ideographic one;
    and second, that the language of the inscriptions was a Dravidian
    one (or, in the case of some Indian scholars, that it was
    sanskrit)....

    Having taken two arbitrary steps, in presuming the script to be a
    pictographic-ideographic one, and in presuming the language to be
    Dravidian, the scholars then proceeded to set out on a spree of
    reckless and whimsical interpretations: each individual letter of
    the Indus script was taken up and arbitrarily presumed to stand for
    a particular object or concept; then the letter was "read" by giving
    it the sound-value of the particular present-day Tamil or general
    Dravidian word which was arbit- rarily presumed to be the one word,
    out of many, which best expressed that object or concept; then that
    letter, on different seals, was variously read with different
    arbitrary variations of that sound-value, each variation being again
    arbitrarily connected up with other similar present-day Tamil or
    general Dravidian words or word-parts.

    Using these arbitrary and whimsical methods, it is not very
    surprising that these scholars came up with a hundred diferent, even
    diametrically opposite "readings" for any single seal, and ended up
    tying themselves up into knots and convincing no one but themselves
    and their committed admirers.

    However, Dr. S.R. Rao, the eminent archaeologist, decided to be less
    speculative in his method. He refused to presume the identity of the
    Indus language to be either Aryan or Dravidian, and preferred to
    await the results, if any, to decide its identity.

    He noticed two basic facts about the Indus script which had not
    caught the attention of the earlier scholars. Firstly, he noticed
    that of the 400 to 500 letters found on the seals, some letters
    seemed to be basic letters, while most of the other letters seemed
    to be those same basic letters with some additional signs attached
    to them. Secondly, he noticed that the script was, as generally
    believed, absolutely uniform over the entire period of the Indus
    civilization. Those seals, which were later in time, seemed to have
    less complicated letters, thereby indicating an evolution.

    He, therefore, gathered together all the data on the different
    inscrip- tions and classified them periodwise. He also separated the
    basic letters from those with additional signs, and arrived at a
    small number of basic letters.

    Then, he decided to examine, without prejudice, those scripts and
    alphabates of the world which were closest, in time, to the Indus
    script, to see whether those scripts or alphabates could give any
    clue as to the sound-value which could be assigned to these basic
    letters.

    The oldest extant inscription of the Indian Brahmi script dated to
    around 450 BC or so, while the Indus sites excavated dated down to
    the mid-2nd millenium BC, leaving a gap of a thousand years.

    However, in West Asia, the South Arabic and Old Aramaic alphabetes
    had come into prominence by the beginning of the 1st millennium BC,
    and the Ahiram Sarcophagus (1300 BC) and Gezer potsherd (1600 BC)
    provided the earlier stages of these West Asian scripts. And here
    Dr. Rao struck gold. He found that many of the basic letters of the
    Indus script bore resemblance to the letters of these two West Asian
    alphabets.

    He decided to assign to each Indus basic letter the same sound-value
    as the West Asian letter which closely resembled it. After assigning
    these values to the Indus letters, he proceeded to try to read the
    inscriptions on the Indus seals. The language that emerged turned
    out to be a "Aryan" one.

    The above is rather simplistic narraration of the procedure adopted
    by Dr. Rao, which is given in detail in the two relavant books:
    Lothal and the Indus Civilization, The Decipherment of the Indus
    Script.

    Among the many words yielded by Dr. Rao's decipherment are the
    numerals aeka, tra, chatus, panta, happta/sapta, dasa, dvadasa and
    sata (1,3,4,5,7 10,100) and the names of Vedic personalities like
    Atri, Kasyapa, Gara, Manu, Sara, Trita, Daksa, Druhu, Kasu, etc.

    While the direct connection between the late Indus script (1600 BC)
    and the Bra
  • Dear priya,

    The major god of Mohangedaro was pasupathi.

    I dont deny idol worship in indus and it may be pasupathi.....


    Evidence of yagnas could mean anything





    Archeologists and Indologists agree that there are areas in iranian ares which has similarity to dravidian languages so you have just added value to that theory that there was a common stem of language which originated in the indus valley which moved both southwards and west words...after the invasion.!!!!!

    HORSE IN INDUS VALLEY:
    I beg to differ because i ahve not only checked the evolution of domesticated horses but check this out this is intesresting....
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/2104/horseplay.html

    http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1720/17200040.htm

    unfortunately it seems its just a rightist claim to say that horse existed in indus.....

    One request dr sridhar,kindly dont learn history
    from mccauley's disciples,romila thapar and marxists.Will in any country,they feel proud to degrade their civilization as an invaded
    one?It happens only in India.

    Lets stop blaming the british for everything...they couldnt have achieved what they wanted but for the existing social divides in this country in the name of religion....they couldnt have suceeded with the alien invasion theory but for the fact a sect of people were treated less than animals...not even the importance given to cows and horses were given to them...so even if we accept that the theory was macaulay's invention then it was easy convincing people......because it was indeed what existed...

    Finally I am not saying Indus civilisation was alien and most other they say it was dravidian which was truly indian and the aryan absorbed it made it evolve.....

    So I Hold my head high in pride saying there is traces of that great civilisation still in the tamils.......

    So there is nothing to be ashamed of......


    Regrads

    Sri
  • I dont want to discuss this further since it isnt the right
    place.People some here for ponnyin selvan,as they mailed.So let me
    stop with this...

    > HORSE IN INDUS VALLEY:
    > I beg to differ because i ahve not only checked the evolution of
    domesticated horses but check this out this is intesresting....
    > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/2104/horseplay.html
    >
    > http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1720/17200040.htm
    >
    > unfortunately it seems its just a rightist claim to say that horse
    existed in indus.....
    >
    THis is what i meant.Reading history from
    frontline.Thats exactly where the problem lies.Frontline,hmm,,,pucca
    marxist,leftist one.
  • > I beg to differ because i ahve not only checked the
    > evolution of domesticated horses but check this out
    > this is intesresting....
    >
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/2104/horseplay.html
    >
    > http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1720/17200040.htm
    >
    > unfortunately it seems its just a rightist claim to
    > say that horse existed in indus.....
  • Sorry Priya and Sundar

    that was one of the few and wanted to site it as its from India..dont
    see the source see the article..if you need theres more

    You can visit www.harappa.com and see prof mahadevans veiw and so one
    and so forth

    its just like someone claiming tajmahal and mecca were hindu temples

    but lets move on



    Sri
  • Thanks doctor. The website which u gave is quite interesting and
    informative.

    I have read something related to this in another website. Please have
    a look at this.
    http://www.intamm.com/history/kal-vet.htm

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