when Arun K. Bansal, the father of computer astrology in India, says that Hindu god Krishna was born on July 21, 3228 bc, it feels momentous somehow.But backtracking into the past can be a sloppy misadventure if you don't get your calculations right. So Bansal rests his claims on two of his software packages—the Leo Gold and the Palm computer programmes. They can simulate any planetary configuration that has occurred or could occur in time.
All they need is a date. And July 21, 3228 bc, according to Bansal, satisfies every condition described during Krishna's birth. Krishna was born in the Rohini nakshatra, in the Hindu month of Bhadrapada, on the 8th day of the waning moon at midnight. Bansal says this was enough information for him to nail the date, working backwards from Krishna's death, which he says occurred at 2 pm on February 18, 3102 bc. His
entire case rests on the accuracy of this date, however. Bansal quotes extensively from the Shrimad Bhagwat and the Shri Vishnu Puranas, old Hindu calendars and the Mahabharata to illuminate the clues he chose to follow. "A shloka in the 38th chapter of the Shri Vishnu Puran, says that Kaliyuga started on the day Krishna died." He unearths another shloka in the Shrimad Bhagwat Purana (part 11, chapter 6) where Brahma himself speaks to Krishna about how old he is. "Brahma says that 125 years have passed since Krishna's birth; this is just before Krishna plans his death." Though not empirically verifiable, the advent of Kaliyuga is traditionally taken to be 3102 bc, because all our panchangas or astrological journals maintain that 5,100 years of Kaliyuga had passed before 1999 AD. The belief is supported by mathematician Aryabhatta's astronomy treatise Aryabhattiya, the Surya Siddhanta, an astronomical text that dates back to 400 AD, and a 5th century inscription from a temple in Aihole.
Deleting 125 years from the date, Bansal figured Krishna was born either in 3327 or 3228 bc. The rest he left up to his software, merely feeding in the planetary configuration that Krishna was supposedly born under, to generate the row of figures that conforms to the epochal moment.
Would astrology have thrown any light on what such an individual may have been like? Outlook asked Bansal to create a birth chart based on the date. His computer churns out 15 pages sectioned under tantalising headings like Love & Romance, Appearance, Personality, and Journeys. With Saturn in his seventh house, he would have been fated to court many women—enter Radha, the gopis and later his 16,108 wives. But since the seventh house was also under the sign of Scorpio, which guarantees a joyful marital life, he'd also have had the power to keep them happy despite having to divide his attentions among them. At peace with his research, Bansal prefers to turn a blind eye to the long, long line of astrologers, godmen, NASA scientists, mathematicians and writers stretching all the way back to Aryabhatta who have worked on the same thing. They all quote the same scriptures, taking into account some or all of the astral happenings recorded in great detail, especially the ones during the calamitous time of the Mahabharata war, when Krishna was said to have been 90 years old. These include rare astronomical happenings like the solar and lunar eclipse that occurred consecutively in the space of a month just before the war, a fortnight that lasted only for 13 days instead of 15 when the moon was waning, and a comet that burned through the skies. Also, the planetary positions recorded during the Mahabharata war were roughly replicated 36 years later, when Krishna died.
Most scholars prefer to concentrate on the Mahabharata war where a significant cluster of astronomical events occurred, before zooming onto their own set of dates that binds down the life of the eighth avatar of Vishnu in a specific time-frame. But the dates, while drawn from the same source, strain in opposite directions.
At a colloquium organised by the Mythic Society in Bangalore in January last year, dates as wide as 1478 bc to 3067 bc were proposed. Contributors included S. Balakrishna (from NASA, US), using Lodestar Pro software, who proposed 2559 bc as the start of the war. Prof R.N. Iyengar (from the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore) brought the event closer historically, suggesting the date 1478 bc, while B.N. Narahari Achar (Department of Physics, University of Memphis, US) after "critically examining" the astronomical events in the Mahabharata pointed to 3067 bc.
Authors like P.V. Vartak push back the date of the Mahabharata much further, to 5561 bc. Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, in his book, The True History and the Religion of India, comes up with the same dates as Bansal does.
Friend,there dies your theory of aryanization in 3ooo bc.Mahabharatha is much younger to ramayana which in turn is even younger to vedic age.Agathya is much older than ramayana.Do you mean to say that aryans invaded in 5000 bc or even earlier?Doesnt make much sense,does it?
Well this just begs the question if this was the timeline then why on earth do we not find any traces of sanskrit in the indus valley scripts???
it should be very simple for Indologists to decipher them because we have sanskit the mother language in vogue and tamil with a gramatical treatise like agathiam and yet the indus valley civilisation which is thought of as one of the greatest civilisation has no signs of these....
and of course the horse which was a integral part in mahabharata incl aswamedahyaga was not found in any of those inscriptions
call me a sceptic but I beleive what I see...not a hypothesis
Hello All, Thats lot of fun. We are discussing some topics not relevent to this group, --- about Sanskrit, Birth day of Lord Krishna(!) and many more ........
Any way it is interesting to watch from a distance.
Sorry Saravanan I totally agree that we have travelled far away from our groups general discussions and it is evident from the silence from others....
apologies ....you wont find much more of this....
My only point is tamil had a different geneology and it is as old as or may be older if scholars thought that indus valley civilisation was indeed dravidian.....
All i care as a proud indian and tamilian is my language and heritage is second to none
None of us can say we are the true descends of the vedic people beacuse there have been so many mingling among different races and tribes in the last thousands of years....
So saying the whole world originated from sandas.....a bit bit too far fetched...
I am proud an ancient culture from indian subcontinent was so advanced that it has people perplexed after a few thousand years.....
Priya bases most of her arguements from hindunet.org but there are arguements for and against and she should be open
Priya's quote on Birth of Lord Krishna and Indus volley inscriptions are very much useful to those who prefer to take leads .... NASA, ITI members attending and present their theories ... We should be cautious in mailing observations on such subjects ..
Majority of us are silent - but watching - because we ( I assume) do not want to make wrong contributions on such serious research type of inflows..
We do see mails flowing "Whether Rajarajan was an outsider ? " - If it is from the distant 3000 Kms ... current messages do become relevant..
Dr. Sridhar, once again I am amazed by the wealth of your knowledge on languages ..
Last night, when I was driving back to Chennai, I was pondering :
Imagine a Joint family :: Father - Mother - Grandfather - G.Mother - son - daughter - son-in-law = dghtr-in-law - kids ...
ASSUEM THEY ARE IN PRIMITIVE STATE ...
One is preparing a cup of Tea in the kitchen: Among the fellows in the Hall, one calls it Liquid; Other Tea; Third Cup; Fourth Drink... and so on ..
How to make them understand to use a single word for this ? How to make the neighbours understand the use the same word to denote this? How to make a distant fellow in 3000 Kms understand the use of same word..? That is how language is evolved basically ?
In the absence of printing and electronic media, in ancient days, what were the options and how could our ancestors retain the denotions as sounds and picturise them as scripts?
Wonderful....
May be more discussions needed .. some one suggested earlier that discuss in ps.varalaaru and post the gist in PS also..
But if we confine our discussions only to PS subject, the mails flows will be much lesser and members may become less enthu ...
Congrats to both once again.. very good feast ..
Sridhar, we all share your concern on our patriotism .. as well as that of Priya .. No one would like to state that his Nation is culture-deficient..
Sir, Please do not feel sorry about anything. I am just amazed the wealth of information, I feel 24 hours is not sufficient to read through the informations, even if we read all that is available we will not be able to come to a conclusion. Such is the mystery.
We all feel very proud that we speak a language that had its birth long before 5000 BC. We have culture that is so old that cannot be traced back.
I throughly enjoyed reading all the mails and have learned a few thing which I was not aware, I am sure others too would have enjoyed.
My earlier mail was just to say that I (and many of us) are watching and reading though not participating.