radio carbons--Krishna (born. July 21, 3228 BC)
  • Here is the evidence,dr sridhar rathnam

    from current issue of outlook:
    http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?
    fodname=20040913&fname=Krishna&sid=1&pn=2

    Krishna (b. July 21, 3228 BC)

    when Arun K. Bansal, the father of computer astrology in India,
    says that Hindu god Krishna was born on July 21, 3228 bc, it feels
    momentous somehow.But backtracking into the past can be a sloppy
    misadventure if you don't get your calculations right. So Bansal
    rests his claims on two of his software packages—the Leo Gold and
    the Palm computer programmes. They can simulate any planetary
    configuration that has occurred or could occur in time.

    All they need is a date. And July 21, 3228 bc, according to Bansal,
    satisfies every condition described during Krishna's birth. Krishna
    was born in the Rohini nakshatra, in the Hindu month of Bhadrapada,
    on the 8th day of the waning moon at midnight. Bansal says this was
    enough information for him to nail the date, working backwards from
    Krishna's death, which he says occurred at 2 pm on February 18, 3102
    bc.
    His




    entire case rests on the accuracy of this date, however. Bansal
    quotes extensively from the Shrimad Bhagwat and the Shri Vishnu
    Puranas, old Hindu calendars and the Mahabharata to illuminate the
    clues he chose to follow. "A shloka in the 38th chapter of the Shri
    Vishnu Puran, says that Kaliyuga started on the day Krishna died."
    He unearths another shloka in the Shrimad Bhagwat Purana (part 11,
    chapter 6) where Brahma himself speaks to Krishna about how old he
    is. "Brahma says that 125 years have passed since Krishna's birth;
    this is just before Krishna plans his death."
    Though not empirically verifiable, the advent of Kaliyuga is
    traditionally taken to be 3102 bc, because all our panchangas or
    astrological journals maintain that 5,100 years of Kaliyuga had
    passed before 1999 AD. The belief is supported by mathematician
    Aryabhatta's astronomy treatise Aryabhattiya, the Surya Siddhanta,
    an astronomical text that dates back to 400 AD, and a 5th century
    inscription from a temple in Aihole.

    Deleting 125 years from the date, Bansal figured Krishna was born
    either in 3327 or 3228 bc. The rest he left up to his software,
    merely feeding in the planetary configuration that Krishna was
    supposedly born under, to generate the row of figures that conforms
    to the epochal moment.

    Would astrology have thrown any light on what such an individual may
    have been like? Outlook asked Bansal to create a birth chart based
    on the date. His computer churns out 15 pages sectioned under
    tantalising headings like Love & Romance, Appearance, Personality,
    and Journeys. With Saturn in his seventh house, he would have been
    fated to court many women—enter Radha, the gopis and later his
    16,108 wives. But since the seventh house was also under the sign of
    Scorpio, which guarantees a joyful marital life, he'd also have had
    the power to keep them happy despite having to divide his attentions
    among them.
    At peace with his research, Bansal prefers to turn a blind eye to
    the long, long line of astrologers, godmen, NASA scientists,
    mathematicians and writers stretching all the way back to Aryabhatta
    who have worked on the same thing. They all quote the same
    scriptures, taking into account some or all of the astral happenings
    recorded in great detail, especially the ones during the calamitous
    time of the Mahabharata war, when Krishna was said to have been 90
    years old. These include rare astronomical happenings like the solar
    and lunar eclipse that occurred consecutively in the space of a
    month just before the war, a fortnight that lasted only for 13 days
    instead of 15 when the moon was waning, and a comet that burned
    through the skies. Also, the planetary positions recorded during the
    Mahabharata war were roughly replicated 36 years later, when Krishna
    died.

    Most scholars prefer to concentrate on the Mahabharata war where a
    significant cluster of astronomical events occurred, before zooming
    onto their own set of dates that binds down the life of the eighth
    avatar of Vishnu in a specific time-frame. But the dates, while
    drawn from the same source, strain in opposite directions.

    At a colloquium organised by the Mythic Society in Bangalore in
    January last year, dates as wide as 1478 bc to 3067 bc were
    proposed. Contributors included S. Balakrishna (from NASA, US),
    using Lodestar Pro software, who proposed 2559 bc as the start of
    the war. Prof R.N. Iyengar (from the Indian Institute of Science,
    Bangalore) brought the event closer historically, suggesting the
    date 1478 bc, while B.N. Narahari Achar (Department of Physics,
    University of Memphis, US) after "critically examining" the
    astronomical events in the Mahabharata pointed to 3067 bc.

    Authors like P.V. Vartak push back the date of the Mahabharata much
    further, to 5561 bc. Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, in his book, The
    True History and the Religion of India, comes up with the same dates
    as Bansal does.


    Friend,there dies your theory of aryanization in
    3ooo bc.Mahabharatha is much younger to ramayana which in turn is
    even younger to vedic age.Agathya is much older than ramayana.Do you
    mean to say that aryans invaded in 5000 bc or even earlier?Doesnt
    make much sense,does it?
  • Dear Priya

    Well this just begs the question if this was the timeline then why on earth do we not find any traces of sanskrit in the indus valley scripts???

    it should be very simple for Indologists to decipher them because we have sanskit the mother language in vogue and tamil with a gramatical treatise like agathiam and yet the indus valley civilisation which is thought of as one of the greatest civilisation has no signs of these....

    and of course the horse which was a integral part in mahabharata incl aswamedahyaga was not found in any of those inscriptions

    call me a sceptic but I beleive what I see...not a hypothesis
  • Hello All,
    Thats lot of fun.
    We are discussing some topics not relevent to this
    group, --- about Sanskrit, Birth day of Lord
    Krishna(!) and many more ........

    Any way it is interesting to watch from a
    distance.
  • Sorry
    Saravanan I totally agree that we have travelled far away from our groups general discussions and it is evident from the silence from others....

    apologies ....you wont find much more of this....

    My only point is tamil had a different geneology and it is as old as or may be older if scholars thought that indus valley civilisation was indeed dravidian.....

    All i care as a proud indian and tamilian is my language and heritage is second to none

    None of us can say we are the true descends of the vedic people beacuse there have been so many mingling among different races and tribes in the last thousands of years....

    So saying the whole world originated from sandas.....a bit bit too far fetched...

    I am proud an ancient culture from indian subcontinent was so advanced that it has people perplexed after a few thousand years.....

    Priya bases most of her arguements from hindunet.org but there are arguements for and against and she should be open
  • Dear Dr. Sridhar & Priya,

    Very much informative exchanges..

    Priya's quote on Birth of Lord Krishna and Indus volley inscriptions are
    very much useful to those who prefer to take leads .... NASA, ITI members
    attending and present their theories ... We should be cautious in mailing
    observations on such subjects ..

    Majority of us are silent - but watching - because we ( I assume) do not
    want to make wrong contributions on such serious research type of inflows..

    We do see mails flowing "Whether Rajarajan was an outsider ? " -
    If it is from the distant 3000 Kms ... current messages do become relevant..

    Dr. Sridhar, once again I am amazed by the wealth of your knowledge on
    languages ..

    Last night, when I was driving back to Chennai, I was pondering :

    Imagine a Joint family :: Father - Mother - Grandfather - G.Mother - son -
    daughter - son-in-law = dghtr-in-law - kids ...

    ASSUEM THEY ARE IN PRIMITIVE STATE ...

    One is preparing a cup of Tea in the kitchen:
    Among the fellows in the Hall, one calls it Liquid;
    Other Tea; Third Cup; Fourth Drink... and so on ..

    How to make them understand to use a single word for this ?
    How to make the neighbours understand the use the same word to denote this?
    How to make a distant fellow in 3000 Kms understand the use of same
    word..? That is how language is evolved basically ?

    In the absence of printing and electronic media, in ancient days, what
    were the options and how could our ancestors retain the denotions as sounds
    and picturise them as scripts?

    Wonderful....

    May be more discussions needed .. some one suggested earlier that discuss
    in ps.varalaaru and post the gist in PS also..

    But if we confine our discussions only to PS subject, the mails flows will
    be much lesser and members may become less enthu ...

    Congrats to both once again.. very good feast ..

    Sridhar, we all share your concern on our patriotism .. as well as that of
    Priya .. No one would like to state that his Nation is culture-deficient..

    fondly, sps
  • Sir,
    Please do not feel sorry about anything. I am
    just amazed the wealth of information, I feel 24 hours
    is not sufficient to read through the informations,
    even if we read all that is available we will not be
    able to come to a conclusion. Such is the mystery.

    We all feel very proud that we speak a language
    that had its birth long before 5000 BC. We have
    culture that is so old that cannot be traced back.

    I throughly enjoyed reading all the mails and
    have learned a few thing which I was not aware, I am
    sure others too would have enjoyed.

    My earlier mail was just to say that I (and many
    of us) are watching and reading though not
    participating.

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