I have often heard, when talking about tamil kingdoms or history, the three dynasties "Chera Chozha Pandiya". Why is the Pallava dynasty not mentioned? Are they not mentioned because of their Telugu/Andhra heritage? If yes, don't the Chera kings have a "Kerala" or "Mallayalam" heritage?
Dear How can you forget sivakamiyin selvan, which delas with pallava kingdom very vastly. It is not neglected. We are not having sufficinent evidences / documents and the history are not much clear as in the case of cholas. Researchers should take vast research in this area and brought out the correct history, which will definitely lead to creation of pallava historical novels.God taken Shastri from us before he make a detailed analysis in this area. God should allow Shastri should rebirth again in this land and complete the task
I have a personal opinion that it is because, the Chera, Chola and Pandiya Kingdoms have been in existence right from Sangam age. The Pallavas, when compared to the other three have been active only for a few hundred years. Of course, this is purely my personal opinion. RgdsVardhini.
Hi, I remember asking the same some time back during my Pallava study. One of the reason I may quote is as there is no mention of the Pallavas in any of the Puranas (Ashtadasha Puranas) hence this dynasty was in obscure for some time.
Also while going through James Fergusson (History of Indian and Eastern Architecture) I found that when the monuments of Mahabalipuram were discovered, nobody was aware of the Pallava dynasty at that time. I think Ashoka's Mysore inscription also does not talk about the Pallavas. Samudragupta in his Allahabad pillar inscription talks about the king of Kanchi but no mention about Pallava. These are few points from my side.
there are sangam works on them. Ilandirayan refered in sangam.
AHiranyavarman refered in Chidambaram puranam as the one who renovated the temple . read somweher that he is a Pallava ( could not locate the article) The temple was gold tiled even in Appar's period.
do you have thillai nataraja by Sri B Natarajan ( son of SRB) - he talks of the legends surrounding the origins of thillai. We find strong ref to Pallavas there
Quoting from H Krishna Sastri, Rao Saheb (1916). South Indian Images of Gods and Goddesses. Madras. Madras Government Press. for history of Chidambaram.
Appar sings in his hyms about the gold covered Chidambaram temple in his Thevaram. I posted this thevaram poem a few months back. Will trace it and post again. Appar is contemporary of Mahendra Pallava.
Parantaka came much later. So its inferred that Chidambaram was gold plated even before Parantaka period.
I am sorry for not participating in the discussions, having asked the question. It is quite unlike me :-) I was just busy and this slipped from my mind.
I like to clarify....my question pertains to not academics, scholars or authors; but what do saadarna kuddi magan or magal think.
Maybe some movie popularized this trend. But before that, is my observation even right? I might be easily wrong.
Again this is not about what experts think, it is what is prevalent in common person's mind.
Keralites speaking Malayalam would probably not like the tone or implication of malayalam branching out from Tamil. I remember way back I asked in this group about archaeological evidences of tamil within the current Kerala boundaries.
agree is that there was a proto-dravidian language predating all the 4 major languages we have.
Thank you. You bring an interesting perspective from the Puranas perspective. It is quite likely that if some thing is not in Puranas, then there is less chance of it being handed down to the generation, unless non-Puranic traditions handed them down. What I mean by non-Puranic tradition is any literary or verbal vehicle that transmitted knowledge and wisdom. It could be folk tales, or village stories that did not get categorized as Puranams.
Then the next big question, is why did the Pallavas not find mention in these.
friends, pallavas ancestry is debatable. they started patronising tamil language only in the later periods. chidambaram temple history has kochengannan and he is assessed to be 450 AD.
PALLAVAS also contributed to chidambaram but only after this. traditional "sangam tamilagam" means present day kerala,tamilnadu and northern srilanka.
ironically pallavas have invaded srilanka nad there are their inscriptions and structures in the trincomalee fort( fort frederick). presently it is a military garrison.
chera chozha pandya confederacy of tamilagam must have been well before 300BC. there are inscriptions about them in kalinga karavela dynasty and maurya asoka edicts.these are 400BC.
rice transplantation in tamilnadu has been not known before 2000BC. it can be assumed that rice transplantation as a base fro calculating tamil history.
'Chengkoattu...' = Chengkuntram (Koadu = Kuntram = a hill), was situated closer to Neduverlkuntram near Kumily in the Idukki District of Kerala on the Kerala/Tamil Nadu border. This is confirmed by the reference in Silappathikaaram as follows.
It should be noted the Chengkoadu referred above is not the Thiruchengkoadu situated on the east of present Erode, which is far out in north-west Tamil Nadu, and far out of the course of Vaikai river. Further the hillock village Vannaaththiparai at Kumily, could have been the Neduverlkuntram (where Kannaki met her death which was sacred to God Murugan (refered to as 'Neduvel NeduVerl' as per Silappathikaaram) at that time. It is here that we find the old ruins of Kannaki temple even today.
The Poet Ilango Adihal has further confirmed same, 'as being interpreted by Kannaki herself' as follows in the Silappathikaaram.