Last week I visited Big temple with a couple of friends. Vasantha Navarathri uthsav is being conducted with spl Poojas to Vaarahi. Dance and musical programmes are conducted in the evenings / nights. Organisers have taken care to focus the temp dias erected near Nandhi mandapam and illuminated the main temple. I remember to have read that they used about 115 oil-lit torches in RR's regime during nights! The effects seem to be comparable.
Thanks to rain God, Cauvery is getting adequate supply now. Within 3 - 4 days, our Chozha heart land will be resembling Kalki's vision! - - for some more time atleast!
Dear Sps please try to add malapaadi also in the trip. members can realise the level of sophistication the chola architects achieved from malapaadi to big temple in so short a time( say 40 years) another main reason is asi from tanjore is involved in copying the inscriptions there. we could see them in action.
> > ASI guided trip. Upper floor paintings can also be > > seen.
If you happen to see paintings, look at the wall opposite to Nataraja worship at chidambaram.
If you carefully see you can identify the following :
* A very big authentic (!) portrait of Rajaraja in a semi sukhasana posture (!) with clasped hands in front of peruvudaiyar. Beard, Kondai, no upper sleevs, manly mush, slight ornamentation - strikingly similar to the one seen in chidambaram worship proving both are Rajaraja
* Near him dakshina meru vitankaraana aadavallar is seen
* Near adavallar, a highly decorated peruvudaiyar can be seen. The ornamentation of peruvudaiyar should be seen - cannot be described in words. You will SEE what is described in inscriptions as navamani and mutthu and pavalam
* See the vidhana above peruvudaiyar - see the ornamentation
* In the top the tajore vimana can be seen - but this portion is on the top of panel and details not visible
(overall the panel conceptually symbolizes probably the consecretion of big temple - the details are not proportionate but artistic. For ex, peruvudaiyar is comparable to seated rajaraja, dakshinameru vitankar very small, vimana is shown small etc.)
* Below rajaraja - in the level of the eye - you will see :
Lot of beautiful girls who could have been thalicheri dance girls - very high ornamentation - each of their hands shows some mudra
A young fellow very striking in features to Rajaraja but young with burning eyes - could be rajendra
Other royal members etc
Musical instrument players
and an aweful lot of other details which I missed.
BTW, unga aduththa visit eppo? We shld plan an event when most of the overseas members can participate. If the majority are from western countries, Christmas holidays shld be the ideal time.
Your description takes me back to the Mupperum vizha, when you described the same things to me out side the keralanthakan vayil. I am eagerly waiting for another chance.
SPS sir, both weekends are ok with me. Count me in.
> BTW, unga aduththa visit eppo? We shld plan an event when most of > the overseas members can participate.
Not yet planned...But with exciting new group and activities like PSVP it should happen quite soon. If a combined visit is organized during christmas holidays I'll be more than delighted to join you.
I think the banner should be very dominating - just like the Vimana of the BT.The grandeur of the BT should be showcased in every aspect of the site.Lest we do injustice to the temple!
Ashtathique characters of Sivam are many, SPS uncle. Rajarajeswarars I mentioned are for the functions of universe based on Itchai, Kiriyai and Gnanam. They are standing on top at the 2nd of floor of Maha Meru. Then comes another set of 8 Moortheeswarars to handle Fire, Wind, Eath, Sky.Sun, Moon etc. They are Bhavan, Sarvan, Pasupathi, Ukran, Ruthran, Bheeman, Eesanan and Mahadevan. They are also standing on the Meru. Besides this, there are 11 Rudhrar to support the livin of plants on the earth andunder the water etc., on the Meru. The the 5 bodies of Sivam- Sathyajotham, Agoram, Thathpurusham, Vamadevam, Eesanam are also there. These are the officials of the Sivam to control , to support and to finish. I got these informations from the article of Dr.Nagasamy himself and he writes further " We found the inscription inside the gopuram walls recently with 'Sree Rajarajeswaram Udayar Sree Vimanam Pon meivithan Sree Rajaraja Devar.....' Kudavoil Balu was also with us . We jumped and danced with happy.Adinom Padinom Kalikonddadinom..etc....Then how Dr.Nagasamy can differ from Kudavasal Uncle? I will scan the portion of the article and attach, if you want. Regarding the date of coronation of Rajarajan I got this date.' 'just after 25th June 985 ' only from K.A.Neelakanda Sastri. His 'Cholas' book is the Vedaparayana Book for me and to my Dad. This cannot be wrong.Just give me a days' time and I will give the inscriptional evidance. (my Project manager is very bad and doesnt allow me to read books in office,) Ohm Hreem Vashat ! Madhu
what a nice word to mention the 8 directions. a similar word 'enthisai' comes in pamban swami'ss shanmuga kavacham.
'en thisai potra nindra en arul eesanaana thin thiral saravanathaan thinamum en sirasai kaakka'
characters of Sivam are many, SPS uncle. Rajarajeswarars I mentioned are for the functions of universe based on Itchai, Kiriyai and Gnanam. They are standing on top at the 2nd of floor of Maha Meru. Then comes another set of 8 Moortheeswarars to handle Fire, Wind, Eath, Sky.Sun, Moon etc. They are Bhavan, Sarvan, Pasupathi, Ukran, Ruthran, Bheeman, Eesanan and Mahadevan. They are also standing on the Meru. Besides this, there are 11 Rudhrar to support the livin of plants on the earth andunder the water etc., on the Meru. The the 5 bodies of Sivam- Sathyajotham, Agoram, Thathpurusham, Vamadevam, Eesanam are also there. These are the officials of the Sivam to control , to support and to finish. > I got these informations from the article of Dr.Nagasamy himself and he writes further " We found the inscription inside the gopuram walls recently with 'Sree Rajarajeswaram Udayar Sree Vimanam Pon meivithan Sree Rajaraja Devar.....' Kudavoil Balu was also with us . We jumped and danced with happy.Adinom Padinom Kalikonddadinom..etc....Then how Dr.Nagasamy can differ from Kudavasal Uncle? I will scan the portion of the article and attach, if you want. > Regarding the date of coronation of Rajarajan I got this date.' 'just after 25th June 985 ' only from K.A.Neelakanda Sastri. His 'Cholas' book is the Vedaparayana Book for me and to my Dad. This cannot be wrong.Just give me a days' time and I will give the inscriptional evidance. (my Project manager is very bad and doesnt allow me to read books in office,) Ohm Hreem Vashat ! > Madhu > > > > > ________________________________
PONMEYVITHAN subject - with scanned portion of inscription I saw in Dr. Kudavoil's book itself.
Beyond PON MEYVITHAN .. much is not visible..
I have a special previlege of having seen the Big Temple with the present day dyons - including Dr. Nagaswamy & Kudavoil together, Dr. Kalaikkovan - Dr. Kudavail and Dr. Rajavelu - together Dr. Rajavelu, Dr. Sathyamurthy and our PS Sriram (Museum) !!
This has also been discussed widely here in our group. Let me leave it that.
Re 25.6.985 - I think (British) Kheilbourn arrived at the date with the help of RaoBahadur LN Swamikkannu Pillai.. which were taken and put by KAN ..
But Kudanthai sethuraman worked and found Karkadaga punarvasu.
SPS uncle, I tried to understand N.Sethuraman's "Yandum - Indian type kala kanakeedum" but it was very hard to me. I can fix Oracle 6i forms and reports problem easier than this calculations. Kheilharn and SK Pillai and N.Sethuraman calculates the date of coronation from Udayarkudi inscriptions. Yandu 3, Karkadaga Madham, Tiruvathirai star. Saturday . As he says the date falls on July 14th 988AD. He mixes with Konerirajapuram inscriptions and arrives at July 18th 985 AD as the date of Rajarajan coming to throne. Is there any other forumula or method for fixing the dates mentioned in inscriptions? We have to make 'Sashtanga namaskaram' and surrender without arms to SK Pillai only, is it?
My id is having the No. 85......it is my birth year (DOB 21.1.1985) I will be returning backto India in Jan.2010 and I want to meet you uncle and all. Already I have missed the Aug 15th Meet. Madhu
TMS Anna Shoba Akka, Ennangda idhu, Ithana per kelambiteenga Meen kutti yarunnu pakka. Idhu Kaveri athu meen kutti. Avlothan. Nadhi moolam thedakoodadhunnu periyava solluva. Solra matter correcta irukannu parunga.Correct me if I am wrong. When I was 12, my dad took me to the Kudamuzhukku of Big Templtched the interest in history, particularly in Chola history. Even after finishing my degree in Electronics and became software engr. the interest grows along with me. TMS Anna, meen kutti yarunnu therinja Rajarajan 2nd time throne vittu kuduthuduvan. Pona povattum, pavam vittudungo. (Sure, will meet u all along with my dad in Jan.2010) Madhu
Gokul Anna SPS uncle..a enakku 2002 lerundhu theriyum. He has seen me twice as a little girl. Chinna paiyannnu solli, nan edhachum pesi mattipennu pakkaringala? PSVP Meet -la Red T shirt and with a small thadiyoda mike-la introductions pesinadhu neenga thane? Then you are looking as chinna paiyan. Photos pathane. Already sonnen, Nan Meen, Kazhuvara meenla nazhuvara meen. Avlo seekiram matta mattane. N.Sethuraman's mathematics enakku Circuit Theory madhiri. Headache varum. Anyway,try panrane. Thanks for the informtion chinna paiya ......(kochikkadhinga.....chumma) Madhu
Gokul Anna Rajendran's Seal pakkaliya neenga? Ananapatta Rajendra Cholane en arumai perumai therinji edam kuduthirukkan.Adhuvum double meen. Neenga enna......jujubi. Enkitta vaya kuduthittu kadi patta apparam than JAWS padam eduthanga. Neenga.. unga vanal. ellathayum sethu muzhungiduven. Garnier....(Garnier...na bathirama pathukkongannu artham-TV ad. parunga) OK. only 2 questions kekkarane. sollunga. 1. Rajarajan's kalvettu names enkitta 42 irukku. Neenga pathi sollunga pakkalam. 2. Udagai kottai-2nd battle with chera and pandya theriyum. Cheran kitta Rajarajan's thoodhan oruthan ponan and he was not respected but ill treated. That was the reason for battle. Avan peru enna? Entha oorkkaran?(inscriptions irukku-thedi pathu sollunga) Madhu
Hi VJ Anna Hats off. The remaining 10 names of Rajarajan in inscriptions: Azhagia Cholan. 2.Uthama Cholan(?) 3.Uthunga thungan 4.Uyyakkondan 5.Ulagalandhan 6.Keerthi Parakraman 7. Chola Narayanan 8.Thaila Kula Kalan 9.Rajendra Simman 10.Rajakesari Varman Oru chinna ponnu kettannu ukkandhu 32 names collect pannittinga. If arguments and small challenges can bring out such informations, why dont we continue? (RIN soap Ad. Karai nalladhu....madhiri Challenge nalladhu) sariya? Madhu
Dear Madhu, You dont need to start any new blogs Just draft them as A4 documents and we can add them to the bigtemple website itself.. The names which VJ and you have collected is magnificent infact VJ or Gokul even explianed what each name meant.... The gopuram the significance of the name the all those can be incorportaed into the site Kind Regards Sri
SPS Uncle, the source from which I got the inscripional names of Rajarajan is the publication of Sreeman C. Babaji Raja Bhonsle Satrapati (elder Prince of Tanjore) first edition June 1997. The research author of the publication was Mr.Murugesan,M.A. Thamizhar Marabu Iyal Ayuvu Kuzhu. PonNagar, Tanjore. This can be taken as primary source or not.....I dont know Madhu
> > Oru chinna ponnu kettannu ukkandhu 32 names collect pannittinga. If arguments and small challenges can bring out such informations, why dont we continue? (RIN soap Ad. Karai nalladhu.... madhiri Challenge nalladhu) sariya? > > Madhu > >
hi madhu the way you keep emphasising chinna ponnu chinna ponnu frequently sort of gave me a doubt....
Primary source is INSCRIPTION or ANCIENT LITERATURE or COPPER PLATE etc.
This is Secondary source ...
Whenever you find time, related the names we highlighted in discussion, just check whether any Primary source is given in bibliography or as supporting ...
Thanks for the informations .
Will revert later on this after doing some ground work ..
Thiru and Vijay wanted to update the details before PS meet.
Thiru will again be in touch with you re controls to upload the details..
Re contents - as suggested while blocking the website, "the bigtemple com" - Gokul and of course now Singapore Vijay - with his good exposure to iconography too - will be able to work on...
We solicit yours and dear Vijay Veerasamy's support wherever needed.
Of course our dear Madhu also can provide the details to Gokul and singapore Vijay for scruntiny and inclusion.
PSVP is a family - as i said earlier, none of us are specialists /experts nor 100% dedicated to a profession that is even remotely linked to history etc. PS is a common thread that unite us, and despite our careers, we spend all our free time for our passions. I am sure you will get to know the wealth of information and people of this group.
so there are no challenges or ego's here. you asked a question, satheesh had already taken a picture of the museum board and i just put it up.
But one thing for sure, there are some nakkeerar's needed in such a group - when we are discussing histroic fiction vs real histrory. Its not to say that we are experts, but to question a hyposthesis before it becomes accepted. In the past we have questioned many experts - sometimes we have been proved wrong, but its a learning curve for us. So in this group, we welcome new thoughts, questions - but when you post something - be prepared for questions.
some of the titles you have listed are to be discussed ( is it why you have put a (?) against uttama)