Kavirimainthan
  • Vanakkam Nanbargale,

    It has been a wonderful experience reading Kavirimainthan. (In fact, I had
    read it twice !!!)

    KM has been fascinating for the following:

    a) Venkat's style of story telling (it is almost identical to Kalki's
    style - and I believe you all would appreciate this once you read the same).
    This is amazing since I have read part of Venkat's book (Madurai) where his
    style of story telling is entirely different. (Venkat ovvoru kadhaikkum
    ovvoru avadhaaram eduppaar "POLA")

    b) Venkat's style of characterisation (he has taken cue from PS and
    improvised with his own imagination); You start loving characters normally
    you don't like while reading PS. I do not go much into the detail as this
    will remove an element of suspense/surprise when you read the book.

    c) Venkat is equally good in narrating all aspects like kaadhal,
    nagaichuvai, kindal, pormurai, arasiyal nigalvugal etc.,

    d) In short, Venkat is transporting you to different time zone.

    I personally felt last five/six chapters are masterpiece - in a sense that
    you could feel the writer's own feeling/involvement. (Once again I do not
    want to divulge the details).

    EXCELLENT WORK VENKATESH. We are really proud of you.
  • Venkatesh Sir, (Clarify please)
    I happen to read one old history book on Chola dynasty. It states
    that after the death of Sundara Cholan, 'Uttamma cholan' ruled for
    15 years followed by Rajaraja I. In that case at what age RajaRaja
    cholan occupied the throne (I have not read Kaverimainthan yet)

    Any additional info...
  • > Venkatesh Sir,

    please call me venketesh

    sps would be able to give you exact dates
    yes uthama ruled for something like 14 years
    but his reign may have overlapped sundara's

    kaviri mainthan does not last the full period of uthama but only one
    year during his reign.

    venketesh
  • As per PS, Uthama was crowned when Sundara chola was alive.

    As per KM, Uthama was forced to resign, or he would have been kicked out
    by Rajaraja. He got extra time, because the scriptures were to be
    rescued from Chdambaram temple.
    I hope I am right.
    Sampath
  • > As per PS, Uthama was crowned when Sundara chola was alive.
    >
    > As per KM, Uthama was forced to resign, or he would have been
    kicked out
    > by Rajaraja. He got extra time, because the scriptures were to be
    > rescued from Chdambaram temple.


    my god !
    where does km say anything about uthama quitting,
    ps portrays him as a reluctant king.
    km goes on to say its unfortunate that in these times two very
    capable men were born at the same time.

    venketesh
  • Dear Sampath,

    You have mentioned below that ".....As per KM (KaviriMainthan), Uthama
    was forced to resign, or he would have been kicked out by Rajaraja....."

    We note Rajaraja Chola - 1 didnot succeed on the Chola throne - "after
    the death" of Uththama Chola - but while he was alive. Probably after
    a period of 16 years of rule, Uththama Chola himself in keeping with
    the good understanding between him and Rajaraja when the latter was
    the "uvaraja" under him for 16 years, would have given the throne on
    his own accord to Rajaraja Chola - 1 after this long period - in
    goodwill, but possibly was not forced to resign.

    Because from the Thiruvaalankadu Copper Plates it is very clear the
    policy of Rajaraja in respect of his succession to Chola throne.
    It says that "....on realising the desire of Mathuranthahan (alias
    Uththama Chola)to the throne, he (Rajaraja)insisted that his Siriya
    thanthai should rule the Chola country, and as long he is there (on
    the throne), he will not even desire in mind the jewelled crown of
    Cholas....".

    Hence it is clear it was Uththama Chola who with all goodwill gave the
    throne to Rajaraja - 1 and stepped down - and not forced down as
    mentioned. It was this goodwill the Uththama Chola had with Rajaraja
    untill the last, made Rajaraja - 1 to appoint his son namely
    Mathuranthahan Gandaraathiththan as a very high officer under him.

    It also appears that Uththama Chola lived even thereafter (after
    A.D.985), as we find an inscription of Rajaraja Chola's "3rd year" at
    Thruppurambiyam in Thanjavur district (338 of 1927)which states "....
    (a gift of a) silver pot by Udaiya Piraatiyaar (Sembiyan Mahadeviyaar
    alias Piranthahan Madevadigalaar) mother of Sri Kandan Mathuranthahan
    alias Uththama Chola "on behalf of her son" to god at
    Thiruppurambiyam...."

    In the above it doesnot say "in memory of his son" but as "on behalf
    of his son". Hence we could infer that Uththama Chola lived at least
    upto A.D.988.

    Anbudan - Virarajendra
  • >
    > Because from the Thiruvaalankadu Copper Plates it is very clear the
    > policy of Rajaraja in respect of his succession to Chola throne.
    > It says that "....on realising the desire of Mathuranthahan (alias
    > Uththama Chola)to the throne, he (Rajaraja)insisted that his Siriya
    > thanthai should rule the Chola country, and as long he is there (on
    > the throne), he will not even desire in mind the jewelled crown of
    > Cholas....".


    dear sir

    One doubt - as per KAN

    http://www.whatisindia.com/inscriptions/south_indian_inscriptions/vol
    ume_3/no_205c_aditya_ii_karikala.html

    (V. 69.) (Though) requested by the subjects (to occupy the Chola
    throne), in order to destroy the persistently blinding darkness of
    the powerful Kali (age), Arunmolivarman who understood the essence
    of royal conduct, desired not the kingdom for himself even in (his)
    mind, while his paternal uncle coveted his (i.e., Arunmolivarman's)
    dominions.

    It is the use of the words Covet ( as far as Uttama) and desire ( by
    AMV) - which leads many to speculate on the characterisation of
    Uttama. Kalki tried to make up for this by switching senden amdudhan
    for uttama.
  • Sorry; I may be referring to some other book. That is why I added at the
    end - 'I hope I am right!'
    Sampath
  • Hi 'Virarajendra',

    Thanks for the rebuttal and clarification.

    I think what I referred to is from 'udayar', but wrongly attributed it
    to KM. I have to read the novels again and refresh my memory.

    Sampath
  • - which leads many to speculate on the characterisation of
    > Uttama. Kalki tried to make up for this by switching senden amdudhan
    > for uttama.


    dear VJ

    we need to discuss the rule of uthama.
    did the chola land shrink/ expand.
    did the religion grow?
    did culture grow?

    venketesh
  • >
    > We note Rajaraja Chola - 1 didnot succeed on the Chola throne - "after
    > the death" of Uththama Chola - but while he was alive. Probably after
    > a period of 16 years of rule, Uththama Chola himself in keeping with
    > the good understanding between him and Rajaraja when the latter was
    > the "uvaraja" under him for 16 years, would have given the throne on
    > his own accord to Rajaraja Chola - 1 after this long period - in
    > goodwill, but possibly was not forced to resign.

    hi sirs,

    Quoting KAN again.

    "Having noticed by the marks (on his body) that Arulmozhi was the very
    Vishnu, the protector of the three worlds, descended on earth,
    [Uttama] installed him in the position of yuvaraja (heir apparent) and
    himself bore the burden of ruling the earthÂ…"

    Also is there any proof that Mathurandhakan gandaraaththan was the son
    of uttama other than the inference from his name/tile for below statement:

    It was this goodwill the Uththama Chola had with Rajaraja
    untill the last, made Rajaraja - 1 to appoint his son namely
    Mathuranthahan Gandaraathiththan as a very high officer under him.
  • It is rather surprising to note that Rajaraja I having Vishnu marks
    ob his body happens to be a staunch Saivite patnernising Siva temples
    (though he respected other faiths)
    Is it not??
    nbala

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