chidambaram letters:jaffna royal family
  • freinds,
    i just came across the website of royal family of jaffna.
    www.jaffnaroyalfamily.org

    it contains some good points. i think this is a good time we start a
    discussion thread on this
    gandhi
  • freinds, it appears the jaffna province was ruled twice by cholas prior
    to the christan era. this is according to the mahavamsa chronicle
    itself. the famous elara and his rein, his fight with duttagamini and
    later his death(his tomb is beleived to be preserved till now in
    anuradhapura).

    then came the the imperial chola incursion which lasted squarely 100
    years.
    then came sundarapandian hagemony in 1300s.
    later the governers of jaffna declared themselves as independent rulers.
    they were paying tax to vijayanagara emperors and still later to the
    madurai nayaks.

    last came the kandy nayaks who ruled from kandy itself from 1750-1815.
    they were ruling the present day central province only.

    thus it is evident that there had been tamil-southindian kingdoms
    existing in srilanka for 2500 years intermitantly and mostly from
    jaffna.

    why a jaffna centric nation is not hypothesised today. what is wrong to
    think of autonomy for northern province? something like kashmir for
    india.

    srilankan government websites refuse to accept a jaffna kindom ever
    existed!

    gandhi
  • Dear Gandhiram,

    I have gone thro' the website. All the Prince, Princess are now
    converted to cristians and are now living in Netherlands.

    How can they claim they are a part of Hindu Arya kingdom of Jaffna is
    of primary importance.

    Also their relvence (in exile) to the present scenario in srilinka is
    questionable?

    Will they come back to Srilanka? They should reconvert as Hindus, face
    the reality at Jaffna if at all they want to participate in the
    present crisis. Moreover, people should accept them as a part of their
    homeland. Possibility seems to be remote.

    RGds.
    N.Balachandar(nbala)
  • Hi

    Whose monument is at vellore. i thought it was the " last king of
    jaffna"


    venketesh
  • Hi

    we hear of an arya chakravarthi as a governor under the pandyan. as
    soon as the pandyan lost their kingdom the chakravarthis declared
    their independence.

    but then there is no news of this family for a hundred years. where
    did they crop up from now.


    venketesh
  • -
    > Hi
    >
    > Whose monument is at vellore. i thought it was the " last king of
    > jaffna"
    >
    >
    >re:that is the last king of kandy. he was the last king of
    sinhalese. he was a telugu by birth. his ancestors were married to
    sinhalese royal family from madurai nayaks. they were hindus but
    patronised buddhism.they are considered to be sinhalese kings by the
    present srilankan historians too.

    the kandy nayaks ruled kandy and sorrounding areas from 1750-1815. it
    is very important to note that the sinhalese kings were also
    paying "kappam" to the various south indian kings all through from
    10th century to 19th century.

    the jaffna kingdom existed for300 years from 1300-1600. the
    descendents are in netherlands. it is for everyone to see their
    website. www.jaffnaroyalfamily.org

    i have an old edition written by european trvelour PHILIPUS
    BALDAEOUS. he travelled in jaffna during 1550. he describes the
    jaffna kingdom in detail and the role of vellalas in the land rights.

    gandhi
  • Hi
    many upper class sinhalese have their surnames as nayake.
  • The website 'Jaffna royal kingdom'and wikipedia throws some
    interesting naration of the 'Jaffna KIngdom' alais "Kingdom of
    Aryachakravarthi"(1215-1619). Though similar in nature but not
    identical in terms of years and names / spellings.

    The origin of Kingdom dates back to one 'Magha' in 1215 claimed to
    be from Kalinga in modern India. After the conquest of Rajarata, he
    moved the capital to Jaffna Peinsula & ruled as tribute-paying
    subordinate to Chola Empire of Tanjore. Later around 1262 they were
    helped by Pandyan Empire to retain his kingdom from outside attack
    (Thailand). When the Pandyan empire became weak due to Muslim
    invasions, successive Aryachakrvarthi rulers made the jaffna Kingdom
    independent and claimed descent from 'Kulingai Chakrvarthi' who was
    identified with KALINGA MAGHA while maintaining their Pandyan family
    name.

    The dynasty claimed titles like SETHUKAVALAN meaning custodians of
    Rameshwaram temple, GANGAINADAN refering their origin from Ganga
    dynasty. Their rule continued till 1450 when it was interupted
    by "Kotte Kingdom". The Jaffna rulers fled to Tamilnadu but rebuilt
    the empire by 1467. The period ruled by 'Kanakasurya cinkai ariyan'
    & his successor 'Singai Pararasasegaram' were considered to be
    fluorishing with political & commercial connections with Thanjavur
    Nayakars Kingdom.

    Many coins categorised as 'sethu bull' coins are found in large
    quantities even now in northern Srilanka.These coins have human
    figure flanked by lamps and the revrese has the bull symbol with
    tamil script 'Sethu'.

    Major Hindu templs were built. Lord Shiva lingam is the primary
    deity.

    Aryachakrvarthi Kings claimed "Brahma-Kshatriya" status meaning
    Brahmins who took to martial life.

    Later period were influenced by portugese expeditions. Rivalry
    between 'pro & anti-Portugese' marked the decline of the dynasty.
    Almost all the temples were either destroyed or converted to
    churches. The last known king 'Cankili II' (Pronounced as SANGILI
    KUMARAN) was defeated by Portugese empire & was taken to Goa and was
    executed. Every surviving royal member were taken to Goa and
    were 'encouraged' to become christians to avoid further claimants to
    Jaffna throne.

    Thereafter, we hear about this royal family only from the website
    recently reported in our forum.

    Regards.

    N.Balachandar
    (nbala)
  • > Later period were influenced by portugese expeditions. Rivalry
    > between 'pro & anti-Portugese' marked the decline of the dynasty.
    > Almost all the temples were either destroyed or converted to
    > churches. The last known king 'Cankili II' (Pronounced as SANGILI
    > KUMARAN) was defeated by Portugese empire & was taken to Goa and was
    > executed. Every surviving royal member were taken to Goa and
    > were 'encouraged' to become christians to avoid further claimants to
    > Jaffna throne.
    >
    re: thanks for the splendid follow up. i also have met a family while
    trvelling in trai from bangalore. they said they were goans whose
    ancestors migrated from nagapatnam during portugese time. the portugese
    had sadras,porto-novo(parangipettai), nagapatnam and jaffna in the
    eastern coast from 1450-1650. their period in tamilagam is to be
    studied well.

    what happened to the sudamani vihara -of rajaraja fame-in nagapatnam?
    was it not destroyed by christians in 1750s. is there any remains are
    evidences of it now in nagai. a glorius town mentioned by ptolomy in
    2BC.

    the locals after the advent of portugese beleived the two miracles by
    the local amman(sikkal)vel-nadang-kanni, to be the christian amman the
    mary. hence they called her velanganni amman. the shrine began as a
    small single room prayer hall later by 1600 made into a basilica with
    gothic cathedrals.

    nagapatnam later fell to dutch and then to british. the local nayaks
    and marathis did protect the sorrounding villages from becoming
    christians. nagai is still a saivite town . thank god!

    gandhi
  • the local
    nayaks
    > and marathis did protect the sorrounding villages from becoming
    > christians. nagai is still a saivite town . thank god!

    I seriously doubt it.
    the last king of the tanjore a maratta actually converted himself to
    cristianity and on the advice of his christian teacher gave up his
    kingdom to the british.
    the present royal line is a branch line.

    venketesh



    >
    > gandhi
    >
  • The Sulamani Viharam in Nagai was demolished by French in 1756 or 1758. Before it was demolished an Artist made a painting of the entire campus and it is now in the Museum at Pondicherry - This was told by my brother's friend, an Artist (who displayed his works in an Art Exhibition some 5 years ago) and he is an Official in SBI (Jeyachandran, SBI, Nungmbakkam Branch)
           But, when I went to see that I was told by a staff it is preserved separately and I was unable to see.
  • >
    > I seriously doubt it.
    > the last king of the tanjore a maratta actually converted himself to
    > cristianity and on the advice of his christian teacher gave up his
    > kingdom to the british.
    > the present royal line is a branch line.


    re: that was serfoji-2 in 1840. at that time marathas were confined to
    the tanjore fort alone. by 1772 the britsh bought the rights of tanjore
    from the nizam of hyderabad. the marathas were ceased to be addressed
    as your majesty by then. by 1790 their rule was only within tanjore
    town. and they lost the remaining power in 1840 under doctrine of
    lapse.
    marathas were zealous patrons of saivism. many of their religious
    donations are evident from mayuram, thiruvidaimarudhoor and thiru -
    avadu thurai adheenam temples. but for maratha interlude tanjore could
    have become an arni or ranipettai or walajah!!

    gandhi
  • I feel what gandhiram says is reasonable. Marrata were saivites. I
    am reproducing the article written by me earlier to give clear
    picture of JAFFna Kingdom....
    The website 'Jaffna royal kingdom'and wikipedia throws some
    interesting naration of the 'Jaffna KIngdom' alais "Kingdom of
    Aryachakravarthi"(1215-1619). Though similar in nature but not
    identical in terms of years and names / spellings.

    The origin of Kingdom dates back to one 'Magha' in 1215 claimed to
    be from Kalinga in modern India. After the conquest of Rajarata, he
    moved the capital to Jaffna Peinsula & ruled as tribute-paying
    subordinate to Chola Empire of Tanjore. Later around 1262 they were
    helped by Pandyan Empire to retain his kingdom from outside attack
    (Thailand). When the Pandyan empire became weak due to Muslim
    invasions, successive Aryachakrvarthi rulers made the jaffna Kingdom
    independent and claimed descent from 'Kulingai Chakrvarthi' who was
    identified with KALINGA MAGHA while maintaining their Pandyan family
    name.

    The dynasty claimed titles like SETHUKAVALAN meaning custodians of
    Rameshwaram temple, GANGAINADAN refering their origin from Ganga
    dynasty. Their rule continued till 1450 when it was interupted
    by "Kotte Kingdom". The Jaffna rulers fled to Tamilnadu but rebuilt
    the empire by 1467. The period ruled by 'Kanakasurya cinkai ariyan'
    & his successor 'Singai Pararasasegaram' were considered to be
    fluorishing with political & commercial connections with Thanjavur
    Nayakars Kingdom.

    Many coins categorised as 'sethu bull' coins are found in large
    quantities even now in northern Srilanka.These coins have human
    figure flanked by lamps and the revrese has the bull symbol with
    tamil script 'Sethu'.

    Major Hindu templs were built. Lord Shiva lingam is the primary
    deity.

    Aryachakrvarthi Kings claimed "Brahma-Kshatriya" status meaning
    Brahmins who took to martial life.

    Later period were influenced by portugese expeditions. Rivalry
    between 'pro & anti-Portugese' marked the decline of the dynasty.
    Almost all the temples were either destroyed or converted to
    churches. The last known king 'Cankili II' (Pronounced as SANGILI
    KUMARAN) was defeated by Portugese empire & was taken to Goa and was
    executed. Every surviving royal member were taken to Goa and
    were 'encouraged' to become christians to avoid further claimants to
    Jaffna throne.

    Thereafter, we hear about this royal family only from the website
    recently reported in our forum.

    Regards.

    N.Balachandar
    (nbala)
  • > I feel what gandhiram says is reasonable. Marrata were saivites.


    sure they were.
    one of the serfojis witnessed the appearance of the moon ona amavasya
    day and heard the first rendering of abirami anthathi at
    thirukadaiyur.

    what i would say was they were very liberal in subject of non mixing
    of religion and state.
    porayar and the surroundings are very important in christian history
    in india. porayar had the second printing press in india. the bible
    was translated to tamil in serfoji territory and from here spread
    elsewere.
  • >>>tanjore is a zealously guarded citadel of tamil-saivite heritage.


    I think we should study the impact of tanjore area on religious
    conversions.
    porayar was an epicentre, danish and swedish missions started out in
    the area. i think the swedish church of south india is still headed
    by the "bishop of tranquebar"
    we cannot go by today's populations of christians.

    one thing struck me, in tamilnadu we have had several kingdoms( and
    large zamins calling themselves as kingdoms) but nowhere else has a
    ruling king converted to cristianity except in tanjore.

    however i think the king has had little to do with religious
    affliations in tamilnadu.
    madurai was ruled by muslims in 14th and 17th century.
    north tamilnadu by the nawab of arcot. hinduism still flourishes
    here.

    venketesh
  •    The last Maratta King of Tanjore was Shivaji II (son of Saraboji II) and he ruled from1832 to 1855.  Saraboji II died in 1832.  Shivaji II had two wives, but had no sons. He married 17 girls in 1852, but died in 1855 without a male heir. After his death Tanjore came into the hands of British.
    anjore was ruled by Hyder Ali for 6 months, and in 1782 Tippu Sultan invaded and captured Mayavaram Seerkazhi area. To protect from Tippu British troops were stationed at Tanjore at the expense of then Maratta King Thulaja. Thujala II adopted Saraboji I.  In 1787 Saraboji  made an Agreement with British Company by which Maratta Kings had only Tanjore city. Other areas were sold by Seraboji to British Company for 1 lakh Varahan and 1/5 income from tax collections.
       Marattas were supporters for all religions and followed Hindu customs and festivals. They gave grants and maintained 64 Hindu temples .
       The reference for the last Maratta King was converted to christianity doesnt exist in Maratta History.
    (Pardon me for the interruption)
  • aintained 64 Hindu
    temples .
    >    The reference for the last Maratta King was converted to
    christianity doesnt exist in Maratta History.

    Hi
    kindly check this out.

    The 18th-century Christ Church or Schwartz Church a legacy of Tanjore
    colonial past, stands to the east of the Shivanganga Tank. This
    church was founded by the Danish missionary, Reverend Frederik
    Christian Schwartz, in 1779. When he died in 1798, the enlightened
    Maratha ruler, Serfoji II, donated a striking marble tablet, made by
    John Flaxman and this has been placed at the western end of the
    church. It depicts the dying missionary blessing his royal patron,
    surrounded by ministers and pupils from the school that he
    established.
  • gandhiram,

    I understand have taken most of them (royals) and encouraged
    conversion.

    nbala
  • I take your pardon.

    Most of them were taken to GOA before conversion by portugese.

    nbala
  • Dear Sir
            Your details furnished are correct except the matter about Schwartz. Page 341 of 'Memoirs of Schwartz; by Person says "on 10th March 1779 the General laid the foundation stone nine feet deep. Page 369-It is built upon the plan of the church at Trichi being 90ft long and 50ft broad.
            Sefoji II commemorated his love and esteem for the Father Schwartz by constructing a church near Sivaganga Garden, Thanjavur. The marble plaque installed in the church depicts the visit of the Raja to see the ailing father = Page 14 Saraswathi Mahal records.
           Serfoji II was brought up by this Schwartz in younger days as ordered by his  father Raja Thulaja.
          " Serfoji II came to throne in 1798 - So the statement that the church was built by Serfoji II is not correct"
  • > >         Serfoji I I's donations and grants to Muslim Dargas and
    > Christian community are many and are recorded.  as he was very kind
    and
    > friendly to all religions. But nowhere in the book says about his
    > conversion to christianity.  

    Dear Vishwak sir,
    i stand corrected.
    .... As Serfoji grew, he came to view Schwartz as a father figure,
    and

    at Schwartz's death in 1798, Serfoji received Schwartz's final
    blessing for equitable rule, protection of Tamil Christians, and
    peace from God.
    At Schwartz's memorial service, Serfoji composed and read a eulogy in
    English;
    the raja of Tanjore erected a monument, executed by Flaxman, in the
    mission church, in which he is represented as grasping the hand of
    the dying missionary and receiving his benediction.

    perhaps with this info I had made that assumption.

    venketesh

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