freinds, thanks for sharing your views. im quiet fascinated by this interaction. i would like to beleive nataraja concept originated in northern india. perhaps in the present day hindu-kush region in afganistan. there are theories which put nataraja to a dancing cult which came even from present day iraq-where the dravidians originated. the cult has spread all over india 5000 years ago. it became a religion when aryan-dravidian admixture took place. the rudra of rig veda is often mixed up with siva-nataraja. the man in yogic posture in the indus valley seals are also confused to be early siva.
siva a dark caucasian looks very much an early dravidian. he is associated with himalayas, ganges, madurai and pichavaram!! god a real puzzle. the snakes and tiger skin...his conquest over the prevailing animistic religion.
when i walk around the chidambaram temple i see the boodha-ganas on the wall with pot belly, bulbous nose and curly hair. they resemble the austro-asiatic natives. the nataraja without doubt an early dravidian. the dheekshidhars with their rig-vedic chants, the last surviving aryan emigrants from turkmenistan.
to day chidambaram has all the three elements living side by side. there were conflicts(remember nandhanar satyagraha).there are conflicts today ...tamil hymns on the chitrambalam controversy. but chidambaram will survive.
chidambaram is a zealously guarded secret of indian heritage. a galapogas island of indian mythology and anthropology. a living museum of tamil civilisation.
Thanks for the information. I am totally confused.
You say the Dravidians originated in Iraq, which is totally news to me. And when Aryan invasion theory has been rejected in the recent times as a mere myth, the aryan-dravidian things dont hold any more water. If we assume Dravidians come from Iraq, then it adds one more point in favour of 'AIT being a myth' :)
And, in 'Sri Rudram', which is part of the Yajur vadam refers to the same deity (which is nothing but the brahmam) in different names...Rudra, Shiva are also mentioned. Shiva is so special becuase its the middle word of the entire 'Namakam' part of Rudram (Rudram is comprised of namakam and chamakam).
In your mail you mentioned Siva has a dark caucasian look. All the scriptures, let it be vedas or thevaram,thiruvasagam etc refer to Shiva with a golden colour skin.
'ponnar meniyane, puli tholai araikasaithu'....the famous pasuram of PS
> In your mail you mentioned Siva has a dark caucasian look. All the > scriptures, let it be vedas or thevaram,thiruvasagam etc refer to > Shiva with a golden colour skin. > > 'ponnar meniyane, puli tholai araikasaithu'....the famous pasuram > of PS >
Hi sathish
some thevaram songs mention a flaming red hair for shiva. in fact a couple of dhikshithars have the red hair I have noticed.
pootha ganangal are same anywhere. an interesting fact i was told by visitors to mount kailash in tibet were that the tibetean porters looked so much like the bootha kanangal. its incidental that sambandar saw the dhikshithars themselves as bootha kanangal at chidambaram.
though we cannot pin point the origin of dravidians or for that matter any indian ethnic group from iraq the world has a lot to thank iraq for. the first region to write, the first to use the wheel the first to use the sexagesimal system ( our time , longtitudes and many other systems follow it still) The Mesopotamians used a sexagesimal (base 60) numeral system. This is the source of the current 60-minute hours and 24-hour days, as well as the 360 degree circle. The calendar also measured weeks of seven days each. Mesopotamian astronomers worked out a 12 month calendar based on the cycles of the moon they calculated the value of 'pi' to around 3 whereas its 3.14
Mesopotamian people invented many technologies including metal and copper-working, glass and lamp making, textile weaving, flood control, water storage, and irrigation.
They were also one of the first Bronze age people in the world. Early on they used copper, bronze and gold, and later they used iron.
I am trying to analyze the way how the ancient civilizations are connected and how they divulge over a period of time.
For some reason, I keep trying to believe that the path to Iran came from India --> mesopotamia --> Egypt etc.
Following the trace of Lav & Kush, it is lost after the borders of Pakistan, however some interesting finds can be available in various central asian kingdoms, to the expansion of the western border of Pakistan.
Sumer of Iraq was known as Kish in the past, Kish is also a a king in Babylon.
There is a theory that the Iranian Pro_Elamite language came from the Dravidian languages, looking at their names it has a lot of similarity
Now Elamo Dravidian language is supposedly a combination of Southern Dravidian language and Brahui (ancient western pakistani language).
The farthest link of Dravidian to Western pakistan is Kush (Son of Rama).
Something to think about, may be the team here can pitch in.
Some scholars are proposing that the ancient Sumerian language is well connected to proto-Tamil and several Sumerian texts can be converted to modern day Tamil with ease and both languages share many root words.
I have written about this in the past in our group.
Ravi, what is available by way of Lav and Kush's time or regime? We have discussed this before and noone really knew what became of them after Sri Rama. Would be very interested to know what exists,