Kulothunga III
  • Dear Nandakumar and Ravi,

    Next week I will be in Kumbakonam.

    will try to get the books you needed.

    Dear Sri GRS,

    KOLE is the SCALE used in Civil Engg...
    You are right.

    It is not Standard for that Province.
    It is a UNIT used for that TEMPLE / Structure.

    Dear Venkat,

    Re Temple Architecture there are books...

    Kudavoil Dr. Balu has done an extensive work on Gopurakkalai.
    There are articles in www.varalaaru.com too..

    The easiest way to approximate an ERA is LESSER SOFISTIFICATION in
    the Sculpture...

    More sofistification, closer to us ...

    Facial features too indicate ..

    We will discuss in detail again later.

    regards/ sps
  • Surveyor's Chain

    This was the type of chain used by early surveyors to measure distances
  • Still this chain surveying, compass, leveling, theodolite survey is
    available in the practicals of civil engg. But we used only 20cm(one link)
    chain with 150 links or 30cm (one link) chain with 100 links. Soon these
    survey's will be replaced by the Total survey station instrument.

    The chain survey was the concept of british and there were different types
    of chains available then.

    But why this topic is here? This is a type of land measurement, but you need
    a scale (Like Thachu muzham) i.e. Ratio to plot your surveyed measurement on
    the layout.

    Example:
    Scale- 1:1000 means 1000mm is actual measurement will be 1 mm in the layout.

    If you measure 10mm from the layout using your scale it is 10000mm(10m) in
    actual.
  • Hi Satheesh

    Ratio and scale are different. Scale is amplification/reduction factor
    to represent big or small figures for manageability. In Hampi, there is
    a scale model sculpture of the YogaNarasimha with Lakshmi sculpture. The
    model is about a foot compared to the full sized one of over 15 feet.
    Perhaps the miniatures were made to get the approval from the king, or
    to convey the artist-sculptor's idea to the those doing the scuplting or
    to ensure that the work was completed even after the death of the master
    scupture.

    Ratio is the geometric proportion to be maintained as per agama sastras;
    here the basic dimenson is not important. There are elaborate rules to
    decide the shape and relative dimensions of the geometric figure.

    I am of the view that there was no standard size (as we have today - 1
    metre etc.) . The basic measure was chosen on a random basis - jann,
    muzham, height of the king or an important person, and marked as a
    reference measure.

    Sampath
  • Satheesh,

    I am no expert, but just putting my thougths.

    Scale is used in maps and we use it very much on a daily basis. A
    distance of 1cm on the paper map can be 1 KM on the ground. So you
    can draw a map of 10 Sq.Km in a 10 Sq.Cm paper. In case of
    sculptures, a proto (proto and model are not different) can be
    sculpted in a 10 Sq.Inches panel where as on approval, the actual
    sculpture can be 15 ft tall. The similarity between the proto and
    the actual will be that, the proportions are maintained. For eg. if
    the hand is 1 inch and leg is 2 inch in the proto, the actul can
    have the hand as 10 feet and leg as 20 feet, but the ratio of hand :
    leg will be alway 1 : 2, whatever be your measure...let it be
    inches, or cm or meter or km or mile or whatever.

    Where as The scale under discussion is the basic unit of measure,
    like Meter or Feet, and you use the multiples of this base measure
    to built the actual structure. For eg. if the base measure is 1
    meter, the height of the vimanam will be measured in meters and we
    can say 234 meters high or 50 feet wide and 30 feet long etc.

    If I am correct, each temple has its own basic measure,and the
    lenght, breadth and heigh are in multiples of the base measure.

    Experts can correct me if I am wrong.
  • Satish,

    You are correct.

    But what I feel, once the base measure is fixed you can easily calculate the
    height, lenght and width of a temple, the vimana height and gopuram height
    etc., because I have read in a book that there are some standard sizes for
    the temple structures. But I dont know whether those standards will be
    applicable to big temple and GKC, because these temples are totally
    different from the others.
  • The word 'ratio' is misleading as both 'scale' and 'ratio' are
    interchangeable. 'Proportion' is a better term.
    Sampath
  • Satish, pithy, precise explanation. I also agree with your statement
    that each temple has its own basic measure. The base unit is decided by
    the sthapathy - derived from the king's/sponsor's suggestions or from
    local religious customs. I read about it long ago, but it is now
    difficult to trace references.
    Sampath
  • Dear Friends,

    Re Kudanthai Sethuraman's books :

    Tried to meet Mrs. Lalitha Sethuman w/o (Late) Sethuraman of Raman &
    Raman in Kumbakonam (along with Dr. Nagaswamy) yesterday ( Saturday).

    Learnt fron her office that she is on her way to the USA and expected
    to return only after 6 months. No forwarding address avl.

    sps



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  • Hi All,

    Thanks to SPS, Mr.Sethuraman's son, Raman had got in touch with me. His email id is [email protected]

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