Kalki Vs Sandilyan
  • > As for Kalkiya Sandilyana its like comparing
    > Manirathinam and KS Ravikumars works.

    Enna ipadi solliteenga athukunu???? Kalki is
    uncomparable ...agreed....but sandilyan is also very
    great writer in his style...avaroda varnanaye thani
    azhagu thaan....atha deny panna mudiyaathu...
  • Manirathnam and Shankar may be more appropriate ;) (BTW, I don't have high
    regards for Manirathnam )

    Yes, Sandilyan novels are more masala, his heroes are superman-kind, still
    there is no denying the fact that he is the master of
    action-packed-historical novel genre.

    Particularly his war sequences are unparalleled. (My favourite :
    Raajamuthirai)
    I haven't found such details in any other writer I have read, including
    Kalki and Akilan (Enakku neram sariyilla, konjam pechai koraikkanum).

    BTW, yarunga athu intha Kalki vs. Sandilyan sandaiya aarambichathu? (Patha
    vechuttiye parattai!)

    Anyway my idea of writers' (I have read) style:
    Sandilyan - Action-Masala (Matrix)
    Akilan - Sentiment-Romance (Gladiator)
    Srivenugopalan - Ditto
    Mu.Karunaanithi - Political propaganda style (Romapuri Pandiyan is the only
    book I read)
    Kalki - Kalki Style (Lord of the Rings)
  • > Particularly his war sequences are unparalleled

    Kalakeeteengale karthikeyan!!! Well done....
    (Yaarum adika vandhuraatheenga)

    Engaluku sandilyanum pudikum..
  • In Sandilyan's Novels, I felt some sort of stereotypic style he
    followed. In most of his novels, there would be always two heroins,
    always comparison about their beauty, which would also always be
    contrasting, like ponnira koondhal/kaarmega vaNNa koondhal, neela
    nayanangaL/karunthiratchai kan manigaL etc... and the hero would
    always love both the beauties!!

    He has very well described about building the ship in Kadal puRa and
    the was sequence in Raja Muthirai. I dont deny. But some of his novels
    (forgot the name, not that worth to remember also:P, Yaarum adikka
    varaathinga!! ) he has dealt mostly of romance. While reading them, I
    was thinking the novel would be worth atleast for the well described
    war sequence. Alas! that went on hardly 5-10 pages with nothing great
    in it.

    Yeah, I agree he has his master pieces like Yavana Rani, Kadal PuRa,
    Raja Muththirai, Raja Thilagam.. BUT STILL KALKI'S PS TOPS ALL :)

    Sathya
  • -----Original Message-----
    From: Sathya [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:55 PM
    To: [email protected]ps.com
    Subject: [ponniyinselvan] Re: Kalki Vs Sandilyan

    In Sandilyan's Novels, I felt some sort of stereotypic style he
    followed. In most of his novels, there would be always two heroins,
    always comparison about their beauty, which would also always be
    contrasting, like ponnira koondhal/kaarmega vaNNa koondhal, neela
    nayanangaL/karunthiratchai kan manigaL etc... and the hero would
    always love both the beauties!!

    > Quite true. But on the other side Kalki has written only 3 historical
    novels while Sandilyan has some 30+ to his credit(Or is it an
    under-estimate). So it is natural that a trend starts showing up. (I
    generally used to skip his romance scenes. They are all the same ;)

    He has very well described about building the ship in Kadal puRa and
    the was sequence in Raja Muthirai. I dont deny. But some of his novels
    (forgot the name, not that worth to remember also:P, Yaarum adikka
    varaathinga!! ) he has dealt mostly of romance. While reading them, I
    was thinking the novel would be worth atleast for the well described
    war sequence. Alas! that went on hardly 5-10 pages with nothing great
    in it.

    > I think it is Vijayamahadevi or something. I couldn't even complete it.

    Yeah, I agree he has his master pieces like Yavana Rani, Kadal PuRa,
    Raja Muththirai, Raja Thilagam.. BUT STILL KALKI'S PS TOPS ALL :)

    > Objection your 'onour. I repeat, No point comparing them. They are authors
    of different genres. They are the top writers in their respective domains.

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  • Dear Gayoo
    I never said Sandilyan is a bad author all I meant was they were completely different styles and themes.

    Thats all
    Sri
  • Dear Sathya and Karthikeyan

    That was interesting.
    I have read almost all of Sandilyans novels as well like Karthikeyan said yes Kalki has only written 3 historical novels and sandilyan numerous but I dont think you can take into account all of his Ranimuthu kurunovels...
    Sandilyan
    Sandilyan has produced epics like Yavanarani and Kadal pura ,kannimaadam(was it sandilyan|) rjamuthirai and rajaperigai...

    but his charectorisation and scenarios are stereotyped..(I just recently read Yavanarani and Kadal pura..I personally like YavanaRani I should Say.

    The Hero is always a Upathalapathi,...has a foreigner as his Adimai..Hippalas(Yavanarani) Moor samath(Vijayamahadevi)...Amir( Kadal Pura)

    One or more Heroines...Explicit romatintic descriptions some times a bit more than the normal...

    The villains are all vadikattuna porukkis like tamil movies...

    Always the villains daughter or valarppupenn falls for the hero...

    The hero always fakes he is faltering and hits back when the enemy is not expecting...

    I agree his war scenarios are good especially the final battle plan for karikalan in Yavanarani or the kadal pors in Kadal Pura...He even sketches the Clives years in Rajaperigai very well.but they tend to be stereotyped....

    the other irritating bit in his style is ending a chapter in a suspense note and starting the next chapter in retrospect and working towards that suspense and by then that chapter will end...

    Sandilyans heros carry the story in their shoulders as opposed to other authors...the heroines are just for beauty and sometimes to fight among themselves.

    In my opinion his best is YavanaRani.

    Akilan
    Soft romance and a good storyline keeps up the suspense and the same time doesnt bore you.The charectorisation is more like kalki with more charectors sharing the burden of the story like eg Vengaiyin Mainthan had 4 main charectors Ilango.Arulmozhi,Rohini and Rajendra Chola and the times and turmoils are well illustarted.

    Vikraman:
    Personal opinion but he is an excellent example of how one should not write sequels he tarnishes all of kalkis charectors in Nandhipura nayagi.Vanathi is a jeaulos person,Kundavai is a kodungol arakki who seperates the island girl from arulmozhi,even the conception of Rajendra is done as a confusion(well vanathi in sithapiramai etc)

    Kovi Manisegaran:
    Just one Chola Nila very good pace

    .............................
    Kanchikathiravan Cant remember the author but again very nice pace about mahendrapallava and simhavisnu period.


    Sujatha
    A change from his Iyandras and Vasanth and Ganesh in Ratham Ore Niram...a very interesting peice of histroric novel set in the backdrop of the sepoy mutiny etc.
    Cant say the same for his half written Kanthalur vasanthakumaran kathai...


    So Sandilyan is good but not in the same genre as Kalki

    Expecting Brickbats
    Sridhar
  • I'm feeling guilty that I've not read as much like the others or remember them. But what do people think of Maguda Nila by Mu. Mehta?
    ( I may have a biased opinion becos I will never accept that anything can equal PS....
    Sujatha is a very good writer but again of a very different genre. He can be compared to Jeffrey Archer when you consider his short stories....)
  • is it sola nila or mahuda nila i may have mistaken the author of sola nila as kovi manisekaran

    sri
  • Maguda Nila by Mu. Mehta. It came in Anandhavikatan as series too.
  • Hi all,

    I am a new member of this group and have avidly followed the goings
    here for some time now. Intha mathiri oru group with this much amount
    of interaction irukkaratha paarthu santhoshama irukku.

    This thread reminded me of another thread in forum hub which was
    forwarded by my colleague. Not quite the same topics, but
    renduthalayume there are two categories. One who is percieved to be an
    ilakkiyavaathi and the other a popular author.

    http://forumhub.com/elit/14596.17.11.04.html

    Somewhat similar to the discussion we had here.
  • > In most of his novels, there would be always two heroins,
    > always comparison about their beauty, which would also always be
    > contrasting, like ponnira koondhal/kaarmega vaNNa koondhal, neela
    > nayanangaL/karunthiratchai kan manigaL etc... and the hero would
    > always love both the beauties!!

    I dont remember that the hero karikalan falls for 2 heroines in 'Mannan
    Magal' That was also a great master piece. You can compare it
    with 'Vengaiyin mainthan' That is also description of Rajendra Chola. More
    over descriptions of two heroines is not a big crime. Even in PS Kalki
    compares vanathi vs poonguzhali and also vanathi vs kunthavai. Description
    and comparison of characteristics of two people only adds to the character.
    When a person has written more than 30 novels, be fair to him also.
    >
    But some of his novels
    > (forgot the name, not that worth to remember also:P, Yaarum adikka
    > varaathinga!! ) he has dealt mostly of romance. While reading them, I
    > was thinking the novel would be worth atleast for the well described
    > war sequence. Alas! that went on hardly 5-10 pages with nothing great
    > in it.

    Your remarks about novels, the name not worth remembering is cruel. Some
    novels go that way also, I think you refer to moongil kottai. But the
    standard he set for himself is what made you think that way. Sollarathai
    sollitu adikka varathenu sonna eppadi?

    Regarding Romance, that is part of life. In a novel with 50 chapters, 4
    chapters of romance as sandilyan himself says is not crime. Infact I feel
    that's what makes the novel lively. Right from kalidasa to Bharathi,
    romance has its place.

    Vaidy
  • > Yeah, I agree he has his master pieces like Yavana Rani, Kadal PuRa,
    > Raja Muththirai, Raja Thilagam.. BUT STILL KALKI'S PS TOPS ALL :)
    >
    > > Objection your 'onour. I repeat, No point comparing them. They are
    authors
    > of different genres. They are the top writers in their respective
    domains.

    Yes Karthik, Iam also here for your support. Both of them are top quality
    writers and honestly speaking Sandilyan's vivid descriptions are a class
    apart.

    Vaidy
  • Dear Sridhar,

    > Sandilyan has produced epics like Yavanarani and Kadal pura ,kannimaadam
    (was it sandilyan|) rjamuthirai and rajaperigai...
    >
    > but his charectorisation and scenarios are stereotyped..(I just recently
    read Yavanarani and Kadal pura..I personally like YavanaRani I should Say.
    >
    > The Hero is always a Upathalapathi,...has a foreigner as his
    Adimai..Hippalas(Yavanarani) Moor samath(Vijayamahadevi)...Amir( Kadal Pura)

    Comeon Mr.Sridhar, even in PS, the hero is Vanthiya Devan and in SS its
    Paranjothi. The author sees the situation through their eyes. Thats their
    style.

    > One or more Heroines...Explicit romatintic descriptions some times a bit
    more than the normal...

    What is normal romantic description and whats not is upto the individuals
    concerned. But to be honest, I feel people read his books, enjoy it and
    later comment it as too romantic. Its just a taboo against romance, I feel.
    (Ethavathu thakkarathuna koncham pathu seiyungo sir)

    > The villains are all vadikattuna porukkis like tamil movies...
    > Always the villains daughter or valarppupenn falls for the hero...
    > The hero always fakes he is faltering and hits back when the enemy is not
    expecting...
    This is too general a statement. Villain ethirpakkaramathiri hero senja
    then the villain becomes a hero.

    > the other irritating bit in his style is ending a chapter in a suspense
    note and starting the next chapter in retrospect and working towards that
    suspense and by then that chapter will end...

    Doctor sir, adutha chapterku ungalai izhukkarathum authoroda poruppu illaya.
    Ungal clientsai first sittingleye finalise panni anuppiduvungala?

    > Sandilyans heros carry the story in their shoulders as opposed to other
    authors...the heroines are just for beauty and sometimes to fight among
    themselves.

    Can you please tell me more about our south India history where the females
    played great roles in administering our territories?

    > Akilan
    > Soft romance and a good storyline keeps up the suspense and the same time
    doesnt bore you.The charectorisation is more like kalki with more
    charectors sharing the burden of the story like eg Vengaiyin Mainthan had 4
    main charectors Ilango.Arulmozhi,Rohini and Rajendra Chola and the times
    and turmoils are well illustarted.

    I really feel personally that a little bit of romance in vengaiyin mainthan
    would have added flavour to the novel. I really cannot agree that when
    lovers meet, that too after one has been away or rather forced to be away,
    chatting and keeping a distance of a metre between them.
    >
    > Vikraman:
    > Personal opinion but he is an excellent example of how one should not
    write sequels he tarnishes all of kalkis charectors in Nandhipura
    nayagi.Vanathi is a jeaulos person,Kundavai is a kodungol arakki who
    seperates the island girl from arulmozhi,even the conception of Rajendra is
    done as a confusion(well vanathi in sithapiramai etc)

    Sir, I have not read this novel. But your comment has forced me to go in
    search of this book. Just imagine, and Iam assured that you would have read
    PS first. Had you read the nandhipura nayagi first what would have been
    your opinion about vanathi and kunthavai? I really like analysing the same
    situation from a different angle.

    And there is one more novel which was also good, sorry I remember neither
    the name of the book nor the author, but its was a story between nayakkars
    and the cholas(after thirumalai nayakkar).That was also really pacy.

    Expecting a hot reply
    Vaidy
  • > I would like to add Sreevenugopalan to this list.
    > Two of his novels 'Thiruvarangan Ula' and 'Madura Vijayam' are well
    written.
    > The former depicting the plight of Srirangam idol and the start of Muslim
    > rule in TN, while the latter deals with the overthrow of the Muslim rule
    by
    > Vijayanagar and restoring of the idol to Srirangam temple, with nice
    > romance.

    Thanks Mr.Karthik, I was really desperate to read these 2 novels which I
    happened to read really many years before, I forgot its names. Thanks for
    reminding them.

    Moreover, regarding your opinion on Vijayanagar, I agree it was bhamini
    sultans who destroyed the empire. But after reading 'Vetri thirunagar' I
    feel they alone were not responsible for that.

    Vaidy
  • > I'm feeling guilty that I've not read as much like the others or remember
    them. But what do people think of Maguda Nila by Mu. Mehta?
    > ( I may have a biased opinion becos I will never accept that anything can
    equal PS....
    Ms. Prathiba, I really feel you have a biased opinion. When you have
    already given the judgement that PS is the best, then no point in analysing
    other novels isn't it? Be fair.

    Vaidy
  • Is vetrithirunagar the story of Ngama nagayar etc was it not a story which ended as aunpredictable charity?
  • Yes, it is the story of Nagama nayakar and his son viswanatha nayakar, the
    founder of Nayaka dynasty of Madurai.
  • Yes, vetrithirunagar is the same one you are mentioning
  • -----Original Message-----
    From: Vaidyanathan [mailto:[email protected]]

    > Dear Sridhar,

    > The Hero is always a Upathalapathi,...has a foreigner as his
    > Adimai..Hippalas(Yavanarani) Moor samath(Vijayamahadevi)...Amir( Kadal
    Pura)

    In one kuru-novel of Sandilyan, even the hero is an elder Arabian traveler.

    > Comeon Mr.Sridhar, even in PS, the hero is Vanthiya Devan and in SS its
    > Paranjothi. The author sees the situation through their eyes. Thats their
    > style.

    But still Vandiya Thevan and Paranjothi are historical characters, while
    GENERALLY Sandilyan's heroes are karpanai upathalapathi kathaapathirangal
    but for exceptions like Ilaya Pallavan, Veerapandiyan etc. (Same side goal!)


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  • --- In [email protected], [email protected] wrote:

    > I would like to add Sreevenugopalan to this list.
    > Two of his novels 'Thiruvarangan Ula' and 'Madura Vijayam' are
    well written.

    hee...hee... vandhu.... yellaarum mannichchukkoanga.

    "Shree Venugopalan"nu sonnadhum, yenakku Pushpa Thangadurai-
    dhaan ngyaabagaththukku vandhu vittadhu.

    andha maadiri novel yellaam padichchu.....hmmm....adhuvum oru
    kaalam...thelivu illaadha vayasu, vaera yenna solradhu.


    krupa
  • > I dont remember that the hero karikalan falls for 2
    heroines in 'Mannan
    > Magal' That was also a great master piece. You can
    compare it
    > with 'Vengaiyin mainthan' That is also description
    of Rajendra Chola. More
    > over descriptions of two heroines is not a big
    crime.

    sat > I don't mean its a big crime.. but when I read
    two or three Sandilyan's in the short span, I felt
    like skipping many of the pages and skipped by getting
    bored of the stereotypic comparison.


    > Even in PS Kalki
    > compares vanathi vs poonguzhali and also vanathi vs
    kunthavai. Description
    > and comparison of characteristics of two people only
    adds to the character.

    sat > What are being compared and how they are
    compared also matter a lot. In Sandilyan's, mostly the
    comparison would be of azhakiyal. In PS, vanathi and
    poonguzhali comparison will be mostly of their
    characters, attitude etc. Konjam bayantha character
    Vanathi, thunichchalaana characters Ponguzhaliyodayum,
    koodavE irukkara Kundhavaiyodayum compare panrathu, as
    u say it enhanced the characters.

    But as i said, sandilyan's comparison perumpaalum
    azhagiyal saarnthathaagavE irukkum.

    > Your remarks about novels, the name not worth
    remembering is cruel. Some
    > novels go that way also, I think you refer to
    moongil kottai. But the
    > standard he set for himself is what made you think
    that way. Sollarathai
    > sollitu adikka varathenu sonna eppadi?

    sat > I am not blaming Sandilyan's all novels(naan
    padichcathum konjam thaan :P). In fact the historical
    novel which I read very first and which made me to be
    interested in historical novels and history (school
    history lessons ellam just for exams thaan :P ) is of
    Sandilyan only. Yavana Rani!! Many say Kadal PuRa is
    his master piece. Ithula naanum Sri side. According to
    me too, its Yavana Rani!!

    >
    > Regarding Romance, that is part of life. In a novel
    with 50 chapters, 4
    > chapters of romance as sandilyan himself says is not
    crime.

    sat > Four chapters of romance is fine... But if the
    same is in every fourth chapter ?!!!! (AdikkavE
    vanthuduvinga nenaikkiren, joot :) )


    What is normal romantic description and whats not is
    upto the individuals
    concerned. But to be honest, I feel people read his
    books, enjoy it and
    later comment it as too romantic. Its just a taboo
    against romance, I feel.
    (Ethavathu thakkarathuna koncham pathu seiyungo sir)

    sat > padikkaamalE toooooooo romantic-nu eppadi solla
    mudiyum ;) :P


    I really feel personally that a little bit of romance
    in vengaiyin mainthan
    would have added flavour to the novel. I really cannot
    agree that when
    lovers meet, that too after one has been away or
    rather forced to be away,
    chatting and keeping a distance of a metre between
    them.

    sat > In Vengaiyin Mainthan, the emotions of each
    persons has been handled so neat..
    Mainly, Akilan had very well described the feeling of
    such an emotional and eccentric character Rohanaththu
    Ilvarasi.
    The way she irritates the Hero, the way she makes him
    feet pity for her later, the way she pities and curses
    him and
    herself and ... Wow !!

    Sathya
  • Dear Vaithi

    I am a big Sandilyan fan I admire Sandilyan as much as i admire Kalki but you have to call a spade a spade if not I wont be reading Yavanarani and Kadal pura for the 7th or 8th time. ,

    > The Hero is always a Upathalapathi,...has a foreigner as his
    Adimai..Hippalas(Yavanarani) Moor samath(Vijayamahadevi)...Amir( Kadal Pura)

    Comeon Mr.Sridhar, even in PS, the hero is Vanthiya Devan and in SS its
    Paranjothi. The author sees the situation through their eyes. Thats their
    style. Now I dont say a hero or main charector has to be the King what I say is the way the storyline goes...the charectors theres always a sanyasi..a kadalkollaikaran...stereotyping is the word.

    > One or more Heroines...Explicit romatintic descriptions some times a bit
    more than the normal...

    What is normal romantic description and whats not is upto the individuals
    concerned. But to be honest, I feel people read his books, enjoy it and
    later comment it as too romantic. Its just a taboo against romance, I feel.
    (Ethavathu thakkarathuna koncham pathu seiyungo sir)

    Ethavadhu sollanumnu sollrathukkaka 2am ku ukarnthu yarum type panrathu kidayathu especially if you have stayed up till 2 am to finish reading the book. I dont deny that Sandilyan has a style and pace and has produced masterpieces I wont call them epics the only one in my opinion to call for an epic status in thamil is PS Sandilyans work are more masala Infact I have dreamed to see if someone would have the will to make movies or seriala of yavanarani and kadalpura....it will be roaring success> The villains are all vadikattuna porukkis like tamil movies...
    > Always the villains daughter or valarppupenn falls for the hero...
    > The hero always fakes he is faltering and hits back when the enemy is not
    expecting...
    This is too general a statement. Villain ethirpakkaramathiri hero senja
    then the villain becomes a hero.
    what i meant is sterotyping there is no room for suspense like in kadalpura be it kangadevan or balavarman ilayapallavan uses the same tactic acting like a drunkard and kanchana nad manjalalaki do the same...getting angry and irritated and the hero keeps all his aides guessing and treats them like imbeciles......sterotyping.....
    > the other irritating bit in his style is ending a chapter in a suspense
    note and starting the next chapter in retrospect and working towards that
    suspense and by then that chapter will end...

    Doctor sir, adutha chapterku ungalai izhukkarathum authoroda poruppu illaya. Adutha chapterku ilucuradu vera ILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCRRRRRRAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUU vera
    Ungal clientsai first sittingleye finalise panni anuppiduvungala? Unfortunately the answer is Yes If that was what they need that was it.

    > Sandilyans heros carry the story in their shoulders as opposed to other
    authors...the heroines are just for beauty and sometimes to fight among
    themselves.

    Can you please tell me more about our south India history where the females
    played great roles in administering our territories?
    Kundavai though was not a king or queen had a great role in shaping the greatness of chola kingdom.....and greatness is not administrating only ...murathal puliyai adithu thurathinalum greatness than....what I am saying is SSandilyans Heroines are depected as women of valour but there is always a man guiding them...even alli even yavana rani they are all guided and orchestrad on the contrary Kalkis charectors have amind of their own...like Poongulali or kundavai...nandhini she makes men dance to her tune...
    > Akilan
    > Soft romance and a good storyline keeps up the suspense and the same time
    doesnt bore you.The charectorisation is more like kalki with more
    charectors sharing the burden of the story like eg Vengaiyin Mainthan had 4
    main charectors Ilango.Arulmozhi,Rohini and Rajendra Chola and the times
    and turmoils are well illustarted.

    I really feel personally that a little bit of romance in vengaiyin mainthan
    would have added flavour to the novel. I really cannot agree that when
    lovers meet, that too after one has been away or rather forced to be away,
    chatting and keeping a distance of a metre between them.
    > There are people who have different ways of writing..the stle of Erich Segal,Alistair Maclean and Jeffrey archers different to Irwing Wallace and Sidney sheldon that doesnt mean the charectors in the latters books arre love machines and the previous series have no love life(physical..)Its just the author chooses to ignore it...
    I Still think one of the greatest depiction of Romance is Ialngo and rohinis meeting near the sarakondrai maram..... > Vikraman:
    > Personal opinion but he is an excellent example of how one should not
    write sequels he tarnishes all of kalkis charectors in Nandhipura
    nayagi.Vanathi is a jeaulos person,Kundavai is a kodungol arakki who
    seperates the island girl from arulmozhi,even the conception of Rajendra is
    done as a confusion(well vanathi in sithapiramai etc)

    Sir, I have not read this novel. But your comment has forced me to go in
    search of this book. Just imagine, and Iam assured that you would have read
    PS first. Had you read the nandhipura nayagi first what would have been
    your opinion about vanathi and kunthavai? I really like analysing the same
    situation from a different angle.
    Please read the book and Ill wait for your opinion ...PAVITHRA what do you say about NN
    And there is one more novel which was also good, sorry I remember neither
    the name of the book nor the author, but its was a story between nayakkars
    and the cholas(after thirumalai nayakkar).That was also really pacy.

    There wont be a hot reply because we are just dicussing books
  • Dear Sathya
    I do agree with your comments sat > I don't mean its a big crime.. but when I read
    two or three Sandilyan's in the short span, I felt
    like skipping many of the pages and skipped by getting
    bored of the stereotypic comparison.


    Azhakiyal description and romantic description are explicit in sandilyan...they are a bit too much If you want to you can sit together as a family and read PS with your mother gran and sister you cant do that with Sandilyans works can you? Sathya we seem to share quite a few common chraectors and books....yavanarani and rohini....bye sri
  • Hi all,

    Good volleying is going on ...

    Akilan :: Sahithya Academi Award
    Jagasirpiyan : Kudavoilkottam
    Kovi Manisekaran
    Naa Parthsarathy
    Sandilyan .....
    Sri Venugopalan : Thiruvarangan Ula & Maduravijayam (Serial in
    Dinamanikkadhir)
    (Do you know - he is the same Pushpa Thangadurai who wrote Oodhappu
    kann simittukirathu & Yen peyar Kamala - Redlight matters !)

    - and of course Kalki!

    Glad to know that MTVs and VTVs did not eradicate our cultural and
    historical bondings...By the end of the volleying, let us go for
    voting...
    Best wishes, SB
  • > sat > I am not blaming Sandilyan's all novels(naan
    > padichcathum konjam thaan :P). In fact the historical
    > novel which I read very first and which made me to be
    > interested in historical novels and history (school
    > history lessons ellam just for exams thaan :P ) is of
    > Sandilyan only. Yavana Rani!! Many say Kadal PuRa is
    > his master piece. Ithula naanum Sri side. According to
    > me too, its Yavana Rani!!

    I am also at your side when it comes to YR or KP. But I read YR
    first. I just experimented by lending the novels to some of my
    friends and got their opinion. Surprisingly the first novel they read
    impressed them better. Thats why I enquired Sri whether he read PS or
    NN first.

    > sat > Four chapters of romance is fine... But if the
    > same is in every fourth chapter ?!!!! (AdikkavE
    > vanthuduvinga nenaikkiren, joot :) )

    Ithu koncham overa theriyalaiya? Adangungappa.
    >
    > What is normal romantic description and whats not is
    > upto the individuals
    > concerned. But to be honest, I feel people read his
    > books, enjoy it and
    > later comment it as too romantic. Its just a taboo
    > against romance, I feel.
    > (Ethavathu thakkarathuna koncham pathu seiyungo sir)
    >
    > sat > padikkaamalE toooooooo romantic-nu eppadi solla
    > mudiyum ;) :P

    Deivame, ungala eppadinga ithu mudiyudhu.Padichittu, enjoy pannittu
    comment pannarathai patri naan solren. Sari adutha commentku povom.

    > sat > In Vengaiyin Mainthan, the emotions of each
    > persons has been handled so neat..
    > Mainly, Akilan had very well described the feeling of
    > such an emotional and eccentric character Rohanaththu
    > Ilvarasi.
    > The way she irritates the Hero, the way she makes him
    > feet pity for her later, the way she pities and curses
    > him and
    > herself and ... Wow !!

    Yes rohini character depict nalla panniyirukkar. Irunthalum oru
    chinna nerudal, sandilyan intha idathil eppadi panniyirupparnu?

    Vaidy
  • Dear sri,

    Koncham time kudungappa. Naan koncham unga maila padichittu reply
    pannaren. Innikku koncham work tight.

    > Ethavadhu sollanumnu sollrathukkaka 2am ku ukarnthu yarum type
    panrathu kidayathu especially if you have stayed up till 2 am to
    finish reading the book.

    Puriyalaiye doctor.

    > Kundavai though was not a king or queen had a great role in shaping
    the greatness of chola kingdom.....and greatness is not
    administrating only ...murathal puliyai adithu thurathinalum
    greatness than....>

    Ayya, ithellam pesalam. Murathal piliyai..... rasathukku venumna
    use pannalam. Athu kooda karaikka mudiyathu, kashtam. Matrapadi, he
    he he


    And there is one more novel which was also good, sorry I remember
    neither
    > the name of the book nor the author, but its was a story between
    nayakkars
    > and the cholas(after thirumalai nayakkar).That was also really pacy.

    Yaarukkavathu intha novel niyabakam irukka? It has 4 volumes. (Some
    chitranganiyo something) Therinja sollungappa.

    Just give me some time sri.
  • Hi,

    Many have told about many authors and their books. I haven't read
    most of the books that are being referred over here, but would love
    to read. I have created a file "Novels" in our database section. Can
    you all update it with the books you have read and njoyed so that the
    others also can njoy the same :)

    Sathya
  • The novel I was referreing to, I dont remember whether its Vijayamah
    dhevi or moongil kottai or neither. But it was not Ranimuththu
    kurunovel. When I happened to read some of his Rani Muththu kuru
    novels like "Manjal Nila" etc, I dint have much expectations, so
    wasn't disappointed.

    Sandilyan's Jala Deepam, I felt the novel itself is almost the
    replica of Kadal puRa. Santilyan avaroda Kadal Pura-la avarE mayangi
    antha effect-la atha duplicate panni "Jala Deepam" aakittaronnu
    thoniththu. Any views on this ??!! (Sathyama, Sathya-va Sani Bagavan
    Uchchilernthu Ukkirama paarthindu irukkuan ninaikkiRen )

    Sandilyan has written one social novel rt. "Senbaga thottam"??. I
    guess it dint have that reach as his historical novel(if I am not
    wrong). As Akilan and Kalki shined both in historical and social
    novels, Santilyan dint shine that much it seems. Nothing offensive
    meant to Santilyan and his fans. Probably I may be ignorant and I may
    not be knowing too. (Better to put always this type of
    disclaimers :P )

    Akilan's "Chithirappaavai" and "paavai vilakku", u will be so
    involved and u won't even feel to get distracted even to wipe your
    eyes though it is moistened and the vision is blurred, but still u
    continue reading it!!! When we read his novels, he will make us to be
    the characters of them!!!

    Kalki's social novels, I hadn't read anything yet :(

    Sathya
  • > Santilyan avaroda KadalPura-la avarE mayangi antha >
    effect-la atha duplicate panni "Jala Deepam"
    > aakittaronnu thoniththu

    Rendume ore maathiriyaana novels thaan othukaren. But
    i don't think it is exact duplicate. Each is good
    equally.

    Gayathri
  • Enna irunthalum oru ardent Sandilyan fana irunthum ippadi criticise panrathu thavurunnu ulmanasu solludhu



    Is anyone planning to film anyof sandilyans works

    like Kadalpura or Yavanarani

    Imagine...Kadalpura with Vikram as karunakaran,Sneha as Kanchan and Rima sen as Manjalazhagi(konjam chink style venume) and madhavan or surya as anabhayan......

    You can even have a sami style dialogue....Naan Pataithalaivan illai....Kollaikaaran....)

    Sridhara adi..uthai padaporennu manasu solluthu anaalum yar vitta



    Sri
  • > Is anyone planning to film any of sandilyans works like Kadalpura or
    Yavanarani

    Yes. I am. Sometime in the next 20 years ;)
  • namualyam sethukanga
    sri
  • magane
    manaivikku theriyamal yeduvum seiyvadhu kidaiyadhu

    sri
  • Sri,

    Oru 20 rooba mattum podunga. (Athaan 20 kodi).

    Ungalaya ilaya pallavanaa pottu, naalaikke padatha aarambichudalaam.

    Heroines neengale select pannidunga. (Erkanave pannitteengannu nenakkaren)

    Krupa,

    Ungalaala Sivakaamiyin Sabatham muzhusaa padikka mudiyalaingarathukkaaka,
    padamaa paathudalaamnu nenaikkareeyalaa?
  • Dear All
    Was just going thro old mails there very good discussions on
    Sandilyan and Kalki between mails 2700-2800
    Reagrds
    Sri




    Dear Vaithi

    I am a big Sandilyan fan I admire Sandilyan as much as i admire Kalki
    but you have to call a spade a spade if not I wont be reading
    Yavanarani and Kadal pura for the 7th or 8th
    time. ,

    > The Hero is always a Upathalapathi,...has a foreigner as his
    Adimai..Hippalas(Yavanarani) Moor samath(Vijayamahadevi)...Amir(
    Kadal Pura)

    Comeon Mr.Sridhar, even in PS, the hero is Vanthiya Devan and in SS
    its
    Paranjothi. The author sees the situation through their eyes. Thats
    their
    style. Now I
    dont say a hero or main charector has to be the King what I say is
    the way the storyline goes...the charectors theres always a
    sanyasi..a kadalkollaikaran...stereotyping is the word.

    > One or more Heroines...Explicit romatintic descriptions some times
    a bit
    more than the normal...

    What is normal romantic description and whats not is upto the
    individuals
    concerned. But to be honest, I feel people read his books, enjoy it
    and
    later comment it as too romantic. Its just a taboo against romance, I
    feel.
    (Ethavathu thakkarathuna koncham pathu seiyungo sir)


    Ethavadhu sollanumnu sollrathukkaka 2am ku ukarnthu yarum type
    panrathu kidayathu especially if you have stayed up till 2 am to
    finish reading the
    book. I dont
    deny that Sandilyan has a style and pace and has produced
    masterpieces I wont call them epics the only one in my opinion to
    call for an epic status in thamil is
    PS Sandilyans work are more
    masala Infact I have dreamed to see if someone would have the
    will to make movies or seriala of yavanarani and kadalpura....it will
    be roaring success>
    The villains are all vadikattuna porukkis like tamil movies...
    > Always the villains daughter or valarppupenn falls for the hero...
    > The hero always fakes he is faltering and hits back when the enemy
    is not
    expecting...
    This is too general a statement. Villain ethirpakkaramathiri hero
    senja
    then the villain becomes a hero.
    what i meant is sterotyping there is no room for suspense like in
    kadalpura be it kangadevan or balavarman ilayapallavan uses the same
    tactic acting like a drunkard and kanchana nad manjalalaki do the
    same...getting angry and irritated and the hero keeps all his aides
    guessing and treats them like imbeciles......sterotyping.....
    > the other irritating bit in his style is ending a chapter in a
    suspense
    note and starting the next chapter in retrospect and working towards
    that
    suspense and by then that chapter will end...

    Doctor sir, adutha chapterku ungalai izhukkarathum authoroda poruppu
    illaya. Adutha chapterku ilucuradu vera
    ILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCRRRRRRAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTHHHH
    HHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUU vera
    Ungal clientsai first sittingleye finalise panni
    anuppiduvungala? Unfortunately the answer is Yes If
    that was what they need that was it.

    > Sandilyans heros carry the story in their shoulders as opposed to
    other
    authors...the heroines are just for beauty and sometimes to fight
    among
    themselves.

    Can you please tell me more about our south India history where the
    females
    played great roles in administering our territories?
    Kundavai though was not a king or queen had a great role in shaping
    the greatness of chola kingdom.....and greatness is not
    administrating only ...murathal puliyai adithu thurathinalum
    greatness than....what I am saying is SSandilyans Heroines are
    depected as women of valour but there is always a man guiding
    them...even alli even yavana rani they are all guided and orchestrad
    on the contrary Kalkis charectors have amind of their own...like
    Poongulali or kundavai...nandhini she makes men dance to her tune...
    > Akilan
    > Soft romance and a good storyline keeps up the suspense and the
    same time
    doesnt bore you.The charectorisation is more like kalki with more
    charectors sharing the burden of the story like eg Vengaiyin Mainthan
    had 4
    main charectors Ilango.Arulmozhi,Rohini and Rajendra Chola and the
    times
    and turmoils are well illustarted.

    I really feel personally that a little bit of romance in vengaiyin
    mainthan
    would have added flavour to the novel. I really cannot agree that
    when
    lovers meet, that too after one has been away or rather forced to be
    away,
    chatting and keeping a distance of a metre between them.
    > There are people who have different ways of writing..the stle of
    Erich Segal,Alistair Maclean and Jeffrey archers different to Irwing
    Wallace and Sidney sheldon that doesnt mean the charectors in the
    latters books arre love machines and the previous series have no love
    life(physical..)Its just the author chooses to ignore it...
    I Still think one of the greatest depiction of Romance is Ialngo and
    rohinis meeting near the sarakondrai maram..... > Vikraman:
    > Personal opinion but he is an excellent example of how one should
    not
    write sequels he tarnishes all of kalkis charectors in Nandhipura
    nayagi.Vanathi is a jeaulos person,Kundavai is a kodungol arakki who
    seperates the island girl from arulmozhi,even the conception of
    Rajendra is
    done as a confusion(well vanathi in sithapiramai etc)

    Sir, I have not read this novel. But your comment has forced me to go
    in
    search of this book. Just imagine, and Iam assured that you would
    have read
    PS first. Had you read the nandhipura nayagi first what would have
    been
    your opinion about vanathi and kunthavai? I really like analysing
    the same
    situation from a different angle.
    Please read the book and Ill wait for your opinion ...PAVITHRA what
    do you say about NN
    And there is one more novel which was also good, sorry I remember
    neither
    the name of the book nor the author, but its was a story between
    nayakkars
    and the cholas(after thirumalai nayakkar).That was also really pacy.

    There wont be a hot reply because we are just dicussing books
  • Hi all

    just finished zamindar magan, a short story by kalki

    it describes graphically the bombing of rangoon by the japenese during
    world war 2 and its evacuation.

    in rangoon all prisons are opened, all lunatic asuylums are opened and
    even in the zoo the carnivores are killed and the rest released. he
    goes on to describe the across the land escape of people in 4 lorries.

    not much of story value but a real historic document from the common
    mans view point of those turbulent times.
  • should we start a poll on this topic?
  • S.BALASUBRAMANIAM

    >
    > Dear Sri,
    >
    > I dont know who has written this above chunk about an unknown novel on
    > Nayakars.
    >
    > I think, it could be "Chandra Vadhana" which has 2 big volumes. It
  • Dear Suganya
    Thanks part of the Chunk is mine I dont know if I confused Vettri thirunagar with this in that mail
  • The bombing of Rangoon touched me in a personal way. I have heard the story
    from my maternal grandfather. He worked for the meteorological office in
    Rangoon. One day, on his way to work, the air raid sirens blew, and they all
    ran to get to some trenches. However, before my grandfather could get into
    one, one of the bombs burst and a fragment pierced the right side of his
    chest. He tore off his shirt and stuffed it into the wound and somehow, in
    that bleeding condition ran to the local hospital. The duty doctor ( a lady)
    had just finished her shift and was leaving for home when my grandfather
    collapsed at her feet with the words "doctor please save me". His family,
    consisting of my grandmother, my koLLUppaatti and 5 kids (my mom wasn't born
    then) of which the youngest was a year and a half had no clue as to what
    happened to him. Finally, a british lady, very kindly lent my grandmother
    the use of her vehicle to go search for him and she visited the hospital and
    eventually located him there. The families were then evacuated by train to
    Calcutta; only the women and children though. My grandfather, in that
    enfeebled condition, walked all the way from Rangoon to Calcutta. He
    mentioned that on the way he saw lots of people collapse through exhaustion
    and the others just left them and kept walking. To stop moving was to
    perish, according to him.

    There is a nice postscript to this story. When one of my uncles eventually
    passed out of AIIMS as a doctor, my grandfather tracked down the lady doctor
    who had saved him, who was then living in Delhi, and took him to her house
    to tell her that he had vowed to make at least one of his kids into a doctor
    because of the fact that that lady had saved his life.

    I remember even now the place where the shrapnel went through on the right
    side of his chest and exited from behind his shoulder blade... I used to
    touch it and ti was always very soft.. like there was just this thin tissue
    between my finger and the whole.

    I have always wanted to write a story about this. Maybe I will :)
  • Dear Arun,

    This is touche.

    Even the write up is no lesser story, considering the fact these days short story have become so short it is being written in a single line.
  • Please read the word touche as touching in my previous mail. i misunderstood the meaning of the word.

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