thiruperumbuyam
  • Dear Friends,

    There have been many events which caused changes
    and turns and twists in the Tamilian history.
    Tsunamis, earth quakes, erosion by sea, foreign
    invasions, waves of migrations, famines, pestilances,
    and wars were these events.
    Some of them had far-reaching consequences with
    deep impacts upon the fabric of Tamilian society.
    Wars played important parts also.
    Several of these wars changed the course of Tamilian
    history.
    One such battle was the Battle of ThiruPuRambiyam.
    Two empires exhausted themselves by frequent fierce
    wars and finally fought a battle which totally
    weakened them.
    The Pallavas and the Pandyas.
    This gave rise to a new power.
    The Imperial Cholzas.
    This line gave rise to great emperors like RajaRaja
    Cholza, Rajendra Cholza, KulOthungga Cholza.
    I am giving a synopsis of the famous Battle of
    ThirupuRambiyam. I am aslo trying to give a clear
    background
    as to the long time competition between the Pallavas
    and the
    Pandyas which lasted for three hundred years.
    Of these two powers, the Pandyas have waged battles
    outside their domain. Which means that they were
    waging
    wars of agression.
    There are two simple maps which depict the Tamilnadu
    of ancient times and the Tamilnadu during the
    Pandya/Pallava
    competition.
    Since the article is in unicode, there will not be
    any
    problem in reading them.
    To facilitate readers, the article has been divided
    into
    four sections.


    http://visvacomplex.com/THE_WAR_THAT_CHANGED_TAMILIAN_HISTORY1.html

    http://visvacomplex.com/THE_WAR_THAT_CHANGED_TAMILIAN_HISTORY2.html

    http://visvacomplex.com/THE_WAR_THAT_CHANGED_TAMILIAN_HISTORY3.html

    http://visvacomplex.com/THE_WAR_THAT_CHANGED_TAMILIAN_HISTORY4.html
  • hi
    that was great

    should we also not list the top ten things that changed tamilnadu
    the events must have had far reaching consequences even today
    here's my list
    not by importance but chronologically

    1.building of the kallanai which made tanjore the bread basket,
    averted famines, and ggenerally supported cultural and religious
    activities.

    2sambandars visit to madurai.- it changed the religious face of
    tamilnadu. a hindu revivial

    3. tirupurambayam war

    4 malik kafur's invasion upto kempenna's madurai vijayam. changed the
    demography of tamilnadu with influx of other language speaking rulers

    5 On 22 August 1639, Francis Day of the British East India Company
    bought a small strip of land on the Coromandel Coast from the
    Vijayanagara King, Peda Venkata Raya in Chandragiri. who granted the
    British permission to build a factory and warehouse for their trading
    enterprises. A year later, the British built Fort St George, which
    became the nucleus of the growing colonial city. chennai.

    6.founding of precidency college( 1840), madras medical college
    (1835)and the engineering college(1794). the precidency college
    boasts of two nobel laureates. high for any one college in the
    developing world. these helped in the multipronged knowledge systems
    for which tamil nadu is famous for.

    7. linguistic demarcations of states, the anti hindi agitations and
    the draviidian movement.


    can you guys think of more.

    venketesh
  • Very good line of thinking dear Venkat..

    Taking cue from this, we can make a Calender : Centurywise.

    sps

    =======
  • MY GOD...

    VIJAY .. Bowled !!

    sps
  • Here are few more:

    * The development of the Tamil Brahmi Script during
    500BC to 300BC.

    * The writing of Tolkappiam during 200 BC.

    * Decline of the cankam era and beginning of the
    Kalabhra rule

    * Art & cultural development during the Pallava era

    * The Colas revival - Naval Expedition, Cola Bronzes
    and Cola Temple Architecture
  • Hello,

    I know what B.C and A.D means.
    But, I do not know what C.E and B.C.E refers to !
    Could someone explain please ?

    regs,
    AK

    > >
    > >
    > > http://thearcheologist.com/timelinetamilnadu.asp
    > >
    > > FIRST NAME+-SURNAME ACCREDITED NAME : YEAR OF ACCESSION TO THRONE:
    > > CHANGE OF CAPITAL TO:
    > >
    > > [E]kaai cina vazhuthi 9800 B.C.E.-THENMARUTHAM
    > > nedumeen thizhigan
    > > vael'meen kaavan
    > > ..........
    > > kadungoan 5400 B.C.E.-KU'ADAM (ALAIVAAI)
    > > ilanthirai vazhuthi 5370 B.C.E.
    > > ...........
    > > vaandroarchezhiyan 3100 B.C.E.-KOR'KAI
    > > mukkaavan vazhuthi 3020 B.C.E.
    > > ...........
    > > [E]alaivaai agazhch chezhiyan 2845 B.C.E. -old remaining land of the
    > > partially submerged city of KU'ADAM,then an island
    > > [E]thamizhi ,thizhigan 2800 B.C.E.
    > > [E]nar'seyan vazhuthi 2750 B.C.E. -KOR'KAI because the remaining
    > > KU'ADAM too submerges,
    > > porkaippandyan 2400 B.C.E.
    > > ol'vaenmaruthan 2350 B.C.E. -MAN'AVOOR
    > > ...........
    > > [E]yaazhthi kaavan 2300 B.C.E. -THIRUCHCHEERALAIVAAI
    > > kaavan thizhigan 2275 B.C.E.
    > > mudaththirumaar'an 1700 B.C.E.-MATHURAI
    > > ilanambi maar'an 1665 B.C.E.
    > > ...........
    > > [E]nediyoan, , vaimbalamba nindra,munneer vizhavin ,
    > > perungalanediyoane 510 B.C.E.
    > > thizhigan
    > > chezhiyanvazhuthi
    > > ......
    > > .
    > > neduvazhuthi
    > > [E]nambi, , pandyan arivudai 360 B.C.E.
    > > paan'arvazhuthi
    > > nedunjezhiyan
    > > kochchezhiyanaval'an
    > > perunjezhiyan
    > > [E]poothappaan'diyan ollaiyur thandha poothappaan'dian 150
    > > B.C.E. ....
    > > ....
    > > [E]nambi nedunjezhiyan 76 B.C.E.
    > > semmaaran 35 B.C.E.
    > > nedunjezhiyan , aryapadaikadantha, 10 B.C.E.
    > > [E]perumpaeyar vazhuthi ,karungai ol'vaall', 25 C.E.
    > > nedunjezhiyan , cithiramadathu thunjiya 85
    > > peruvazhuthi , velliambalathu thunjiya 110
    > > nanvazhuthi , koodakarathu thunjiya 118
    > > nanmaar'an , ilavanthigaipalli thunjiya 121
    > > [E]nedunjezhiyan , thalaiyaalangaanaththu 125
    > > cheru vendra pandyan
    > > ukiraperuvazhuthi, kaanapaereyil erindha 165
    > > [E]peruvazhuthi , palyaagasalai mudhukudumi 200 C.E.
    > >
    > > CHOZHA KINGS
    > > mudiko,mael,kaal'aiyam,thagaiyan 2750 B.C.E.-POOMPUGAAR
    > > ilangokkeezhkaalaiyanthagaiyan 2730
    > > [E]nedunjaetchozhathagaiyan ?2710
    > > keezhnedumannan 2680
    > > kaal'andhagan 2665
    > > ilangeezhnannan ? 2645
    > > [E]kaal'aiyangudingyan ?2630
    > > nedungaal'andhagan 2615
    > > vaengaineduvaelvaraiyan 2614-2615
    > > vaetkaal'kudingyan 2600
    > > il'avaelvaraiyan 2590
    > > [E]sibi vendhi 2580 B.C.E.
    > > [E]parunonjichaamazhingyan 2535
    > > vaeqratrtrichembiyachozhan 2525
    > > [E]saamazhichozhiyavael'aan 2515
    > > uthivengaalaithagan 2495
    > > nannanthatkaal'aithagan 2475
    > > velvaenmin'di 2445
    > > nedunjembiyan 2415
    > > [E]nedunonji vendhi 2375
    > > [E]vaelpaqratrtri 2330
    > > perunthoan'nonji 2315
    > > kudikopungi 2275
    > > perungoeppoguvan 2250
    > > koeththatrtri 2195
    > > [E]vadisembiyan 2160
    > > [E]aal'ampoguvan 2110
    > > nedunjembiyan 2085
    > > perumpaeyarpoguvan 2056
    > > kadunjembiyan 2033
    > > [E]nedunkathan 2015
    > > [E]parunakkan 1960
    > > van'isembiyan 1927
    > > udhachir'amondhuvan 1902
    > > perunkaththan 1875
    > > [E]kadunkandhal'an 1860
    > > nakkamonjuvan 1799
    > > maar'kovaelmondhuvan 1785
    > > ven'kaandhal'an 1753
    > > perunakkan thatrtri 1723
    > > vaerkaththan 1703
    > > [E]ambalaththu irumundruvan 1682
    > > kaarimondhuvan 1640
    > > ven'nakkan thatrtri 1615
    > > vaqroat cembiyan 1590
    > > [E]maar'kochunthuvan 1565
    > > [E]vaerparunthoan'mundruvan 1520
    > > [E]udhankaththan 1455
    > > [E]kaarikosunthuvan 1440
    > > vendrinungun'an 1396
    > > mondhuvan vendhi 1376
    > > kaandhaman 1359
    > > mundruvan vendhi 1337
    > > kaandhaman 1297
    > > monjuvan vendhi 1276
    > > an'isembiyan 1259
    > > nungun'an vendhi 1245
    > > maar'kopperum cenni 1229
    > > monjuvan nanvendhi 1180
    > > [E]kopperunarchenni 1170
    > > monthuvanjembiyan 1145
    > > narchenni 1105
    > > caetchembiyan 1095
    > > nakkarchenni 1060
    > > [E]parunjembiyan c.1045
    > > venjenni 998
    > > musugunthan 989
    > > maar'kopperunjembiyan 960
    > > nedunjenni c.935
    > > thatchembiyan 915
    > > ambalaththuiruvaerchembiyan 895
    > > kaarikochenni 865
    > > venvaerchenni 830
    > > [E]kaandhaman , 788
    > > perunjenni
    > > kaandhal'an 721caetchenni 698
    > > van'inungun'an 680
    > > mudhusembiyan vendhi 640
    > > peelanjembiyachchozhiyan 615
    > > maeyangadungo 590
    > > [E]thiththan 570 -UR'AIYUR
    > > perunarkilli porvaiko 515
    > > kadumundruvan 496
    > > nedunjembiyan 495
    > > nakkanaranjozhan 480
    > > thevvangochozhan 465
    > > naranjembiyan 455
    > > [E]nakkampeelaval'avan 440
    > > iniyanthevvanjenni 410
    > > var'cembiyan 395
    > > kopperunjozhan 386
    > > narkilli mudiththalai 345
    > > ambalathuirungochchenni 330
    > > perunarkilli 316
    > > kochaet cenni 286
    > > [E]ilanjaetcenni cerupazhi erinda, 275
    > > pamuloor erindha
    > > neithalangaanal
    > > nedungopperunkilli 220
    > > [E]cenni ellagan (elder brother of Ellaalan who conquered Srilanka;)
    > > 205-POOMPUGAAR
    > > perungilli 165
    > > [E]kopperunjozhiyavil'anjaetcenni 140
    > > perunarkilli mudiththalaiko 120-UR'AIYUR
    > > ilamperunjenni 100
    > > perungilli vendhi 70
    > > nalangilli caet cenni , ilavanthigaipalli thunjiya 45
    > > vaenalangilli 15 B.C.E.
    > > ilanjaetcenni , uruvapakraer 10-16 C.E.
    > > [E]peruval'aththaan , karikaalan 31-POOMPUGAAR
    > > perunarkilli , vaerpaqradakkai 99
    > > perunthirumaval'avan ,kuraapalli thunjiya 99
    > > nalangilli 111
    > > [E]perunarkilli , kulamutrtraththu thunjiya 120
    > > perunarkilli , irasasuyavaetta 143-URAIYUR
    > > vaelkadunkilli 192
    > > kochengan'aan 220
    > >
    > > CERA KINGS
    > >
    > > [E]maavalicheran c.1150 B.C.E.-NAR'AVU
    > > [E]parasuramaraadan c.1050 B.C.E.
    > > [E]uthiyan cerlaadhan , perunjoatrtru c.900 B.C.E.
    > > .........
    > > [E]nedunjeraladan , imayavaramban 680
    > > ......
    > > [E]ceral irumborai , naarmudi 300-VANJI(in his later years)
    > > .....
    > > [E]anthuvanjeral irumborai 130
    > > perunjeralirumborai , ol'vaall' 100 B.C.E.
    > > ....
    > > [E]kuttuvankoadhai 45 B.C.E.
    > > kudakko ilanjeraladan 10 C.E.
    > > perunjeraladan 40
    > > kudako nedunjeraladan 99
    > > [E]cenguttuvan , kadal pir'akkoattiya
    > > vaelkezhu 99
    > > selvakadungo , vaazhiyaadhaan 120
    > > paalai paadiya
    > > sikkarpalli thunjiya
    > > [E]perungadungo , vaazhiyaadhaan 137
    > > thagadoor erindha
    > > marutham paadiya
    > > maariven'ko 165
    > > irumborai , kanaikkaal 198
    > > CERA KINGS FROM THON'DI
    > > kodhai maarban 120-THON'DI
    > > maaandharanjeral 124
    > > irumborai
    > > maakkoadhai , kottambalathuth thunjiya 143 C.E.
    > > [sources: Delineated timeline of ancient civilizations, Gerald Hugo
    > > & Lesley Wells,1974 with incomplete Pandya
  • AD
    Anno Domini (Medieval Latin: In the year of (the/Our)
    Lord),abbreviated as AD or A.D., is a designation used to number
    years in the Julian and Gregorian calendars. More fully, years may be
    also specified as Anno Domini Nostri Iesu (Jesu) Christi ("In the
    Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ").

    BC
    Before Christ, abbreviated as BC or B.C., is used in the English
    language to denote years before the birth of christ

    CE
    Common Era (also known as Christian Era and Current Era; abbreviated
    CE)is a designation for the period of time beginning with year 1 of
    the Gregorian calendar.
    BCE'
    An earlier date is then designated BCE, described as "Before the
    Common, Christian, or Current Era".

    The numbering of years is identical to the numbering in the Anno
    Domini system, neither system using a year zero.
    The only difference between Common Era, Christian Era, and Anno
    Domini notation is in the names themselves.
    Common Era notation has been adopted in several non-Christian
    cultures, by many scholars in religious studies and other academic
    fields, and by others wishing to be sensitive to non-Christians.




    FROM THE WIKI
  • Hi,

    CE stands for Common/Christian Era and BCE stands for Before
    Common/Christian Era.

    B.C., which stands for "Before Christ," is used to date events before the
    birth of Jesus. A.D. is the abbreviation for the Latin phrase *anno
    Domini,*which means "in the year of our Lord," and is used for dates
    after Jesus's
    birth. This system of dating has been used for many years by Western
    archaeologists. Today, however, with a growing understanding that not all
    archaeologists are Christians, some archaeologists prefer to use the terms:
    Before the Common Era (B.C.E.) and the Common Era (C.E.), which are exactly
    the same as B.C. and A.D. but have nothing to do with Christianity.

    You can also see a detailed explanation in
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era
  • I might be wrong, but I remember reading somewhere that, when we say
    CE or BCE, there can be a possibilty of error in the year. Meanings
    its just an approximation and not the exact year. If we say 111 AD,
    its exactly 111 AD, but if we say 111 CE, then thats just an
    approximation and can differe in actual.

    So historians use CE or BCE when they are not sure about the exact
    period. So when we say Tamil sangam was held 2000 years back, we can
    it was held in 3 CE but cant say 3 AD..

    And if my memory is right, the approximation varies for around 150
    years. if 3 CE, it can be plus or munus 150 years. CE is for years in
    AD and BCE is for years in BC.

    People who know better can correct me if I am wrong.
  • Hi sathish
    what is in a year this side or that side when we are talking about a
    few thousand.
    a joke about a museum guide who explains to the visitors that a
    dinosaur skeleton is lakh and twelve years old.
    stunned at his accurate dating they ask him how he arrived at so
    accurate a date
    the guide replied " when i joined the museum 12 years back they said
    it was one lakh years old"

    venketesh
  • ithu nalla kathaya irukke...
    What you say is true for matters pertaining to say, human evolution,
    geology etc.

    Can we say that RRC lived somewhere between 900 AD and 1100 AD? Its
    not even 1000 years, just 200 years and we cant make out anything with
    this. So when some historical events cant be dated exactly, an
    approximation is used. Kalabra's ruled TN between 100 CE to say 500
    CE...but we can say Mahendra Palla ruled somewhere between 600AD and
    800 AD.

    it makes a lot of difference. I think CE is used for such
    approximation.
  • Hi
    unfortunately yes
    a lot is approximation.
    especially witht he two calender systems.

    a lot goes un challenged
    challengers 'laam software padichuttu cts'la serntha appadiththaan
    aakum

    we dont have exact dates for many. even jesus birth which is used as
    a bench mark for these years varies from gospel to gospel
    some even assess his birth using the conjunction of 2 planets- venus
    is one of them which formed the bright star of bthlehem.
    the comets are used to accurately predict the years.
    atleast one of them wat the battle of hastings in england where
    halleys comet came for the full war.
    the comet that kalki talks about in ps is not the halleys for there
    was no appearance just then.

    venketesh
  • Hi,

    CE stands for Common/Christian Era and BCE stands for Before
    Common/Christian Era.

    B.C., which stands for "Before Christ," is used to date events
    before the birth of Jesus. A.D. is the abbreviation for the Latin
    phrase anno Domini, which means "in the year of our Lord," and is
    used for dates after Jesus's birth. This system of dating has been
    used for many years by Western archaeologists. Today, however, with
    a growing understanding that not all archaeologists are Christians,
    some archaeologists prefer to use the terms: Before the Common Era
    (B.C.E.) and the Common Era (C.E.), which are exactly the same as
    B.C. and A.D. but have nothing to do with Christianity.

    You can also see a detailed explanation in
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era

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