Hi, Sorry for my ignorance of history. What was the status of vaishnavism during chola period? (considering that cholas would have subscribed to shaivism, as they built shiva temple).
Any info on appar & sambandar, and kazuvil yettruthal? When they happened? Either before RRC or after that?
> > > > Any info on appar & sambandar, and kazuvil yettruthal? When they > happened? Either before RRC or after that? > > >
Dear Senthil have you read Sivakamiyin sabatham. the period of appar sambandar samanarai kazhuvil etruthal was immidietly after that. must be 8th century.much before the imperial cholas. though cholas were a small time chieftains with stamp sized territories then. SPS do we have the date for vathapi yutham?
> SPS do we have the date for vathapi yutham? > > venketesh >
hi venkat
historical inscriptions of south india & mahavamsa sources:
AD 634/635 - aihole inscription - pulikesin II conquest, He is said to have,before this date, subdued the kings of Kalinga and Kosala, taken Pithapur, occupied the Koler Lake country near Ellore, defeated the Pallavas near Kanchi, and crossed the Kaveri. AD 640 king manavamma comes to pallava court ( fleeing lanka) AD 642 narasimha pallava takes the name vatapi konda
so 642-634 - 8 years as kalki said to prepare for revenge...
I heard that there was heavy fight b/w shaivites and vaishnavites.. i wonder, how RRC being considered avatar of vishnu, built a shiva temple (big temple), if there was so much enmity b/w both sections.. (inspite of the event of kazuvil yettruthal of sambandar)
btw, is there any info on jains, in chola empire.. if i am correct, the jains were present as early as ilangovadigal.. is it true, that jains were persecuted.. if so why?
the shift occured during pallava time - you should read vicithrachittan by our dhivakar sir - its an excellant insight into the turbulent times - regin of mahendra pallavar - his initial live as a jain and subsequent conversion...
Wow sir.. Religious history of india in a single mail. That was fantastic. This gives a lot of insight and interesting, i will look upon the old archives about the discussions.
Muruga is from the Yuga of Narasimha and earlier to the Great Lord. It can be said as both did something like 'Udhithanan', oruvar netri kan pilanthu arum peru theeyaai uthithar, maamano avunar aanavathal thaane seitha nadu kambai pilanthu uthithar. Udhipavarukku pirappum illai irappum illai...aadhiyum anthamum illai.
Saivamum vainavamum -- oru veedu...iru vaasal.. Veetirku oli onru thevai... athuve shakti ena padum maha lakshmi...
Well.. thats my belief :-)
There are many timelines and parallel beliefs, other wise, I agree completely with SPS.
Read about the famous dasavathara inscription in mallai - the first listing of this kind of tamil country. but there is a twist to the tale there as well....buddha replaces krishna avatar!!!
> > BUDDHA has taken the Place of KRISHNA ! > > sps > question again - has buddha taken the place of krishna or has krishna taken the place of buddha at a later stage
Thanks you sps sir.. Excellent compilation covering all aspects of history.. however, there is some small hitch here.. It seems from your mail, that shiva emerged only after buddha..
In that case, Sriram worshipping shivalinga at rameshwaram seems to be contradictory. (if that epic is considered to be true)..
Another thing is that i was thinking, Jainism was offshoot of Buddhism, as both advocated non-violence..
as you have predicted, this time, i dont want to generate any controversary..
> > > > 3rd BC or so :: JAINISM : Vardhamana MAHAVEERAR - Non Vedic - Non > > Violence - Swethmabaras (ambaram : clothing; Swetha : white) > > Digambaras (Digh : Directions - like East / West .. Non-clothing) > > > > PRIOR TO 3rd BC :: SAIVISM was professed in the form of KABALIKAM > > (Mandaiodu / skull wearers), Kalamughas, Pasupathas .. ( This will > > lead to very detailed discussion on the Religeous side.. Just ckech > > archieves under each item .. sure we have discussed earlier many of > > these).
chanced on this vast repository of Jain images in tamil nadu - a detailed listing with amazing photos.... some of them are amazing caves...samanar guhai...