I am sure this conversation might have taken place in this group.. but to have some more light on the same..
Is there still a descendent of that great dynasty, when I had asked the same question to many of my well-known�� they observably point out to the people out there in the palace in tanjore��..but I would wan to know those,, who might possess the DNA of those mighty rulers of 10th century��
for that matter�� for the entire Tamil kingdom. Chera, Chola, Pandiya,, are there people in there who call kings and Samrats as forefathers.. Is that��The Tree of Dynasty jus vanishes off!!!
In recent times I seeing a documentary on ABC, which was claming that the last nawab of Hyderabad moved to westen Australia, and after becoming insolvent moved to Turkey��. I was kind of uneasy after seeing this��
How many faces in the pages of History would have been lost ����.!! Feels disturbing
nizam's problems are with his own kin. legal troubles mainly. but was paid a good compensation for his jewels. 20 milion pounds and another 20 milion to his litigants.
people out there in the palace in tanjore ..but I would wan to know those,, who might possess the DNA of those mighty rulers of 10th century
the present royals of tanjore are maharastrian. the telugus ruled before that the cholas were out of tanjore by 1300. so no hope of anybody there possesing that precious DNA. but seriously speaking nithya , do you think DNA alone makes a difference? so many of rajaraja's descendants could not even be compared to him. lacklusture men who dared to sit on the same throne as him.
and while speaking of dna testing we do need a credible sample to test against. last month the remnants of 2 of russia's last royal family were tested against the dna of prince philip of england who was related to them. but dont lose heart.
there are families which claim to be descendants. especially on zamindar family of pichavaram near chidamabaram still 'crowns ' its elder in nataraja temple.
venketesh
> > for that matter for the entire Tamil kingdom. Chera, Chola, Pandiya,, are there people in there who call kings and Samrats as forefathers.. Is that The Tree of Dynasty jus vanishes off!!! > > In recent times I seeing a documentary on ABC, which was claming that the last nawab of Hyderabad moved to westen Australia, and after becoming insolvent moved to Turkey . I was kind of uneasy after seeing this > > How many faces in the pages of History would have been lost .!! Feels disturbing > > rgs > nithya > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >
Can anyone tell me where exactly the palace of Chola kingdom existed? because what we are seeing in thanjavur is not the palace of chola kingdom but it was built by the sarfogis (I think). Some places we can see some walls like fort walls which are made up of brick but I think this also not built by cholas because during their period they would have built the fort and palace using stone rather than using brick. The stone is stronger than brick!!
Hi Group, THis is a interesting discussion. Yes , the current senior prince and Junior prince(my Brother went to school with junior prince) in Thanjavur palace are King Sarfoji descendents. And I think the current palace was built during marathi kings period. SPS Sir, do you know if there is any evidence that part of original RRC period fort structure in existence?
Speaking of descendents of Chola Dynasty, My uncle used say that we are descendents of Kulothunga Chola when I was a kid( He used to brag, Nanga Kulothunga chola parambarai la vanthavanga!!!
I never got a chance to talk to my uncle about the above statement after I grew up. But when I traced my genealogy with my father, we were only able to trace our genealogy for past 7 or 8 generations. All these people have lived in the places in between Madurai, Trichy and Thanjavur.
BTW, Since I am new to this group, let me introduce myself. I am Shirley, originaly from Thanjavur( my beloved home town)but currently I live in US. I joined this group for 2 reasons. One, My love for Amarar Kalki's books and Two, My love for Indian History.
Though I am Engineer, I love history. And I really appreciate the experts knowledge in this group.
The first tamil novel I ever read was Kalki's PS. Instantly I fell in love with his work. Then I read PK,SS, Solaimalai Ilavarasi, Alai Osai.. etc I'll end this by saying I really enjoy being in this group and appreciate all your opinions. rgs, Shirley
I remember seeing your post sometime back in the group. I was curious at that time to ask whether Shirley was you name at that time, since that I found to be an unusual name.
hi shirley... that was amazing intro about yourself.. and i found it bit nostalgic.. as i was also born in that soil.. and spent my childhood days near sivagangai park, my grand pa use to take us to the park and the near by ramar temple often... after he finishes his classes.. i miss that town very much.. as of now, i dont have any roots out there.. Everything sold and through am a banker and settled offshore.. but still those days haunt me to and a pining weather i wuld go to those good old days..
ya its apparent, that i feel in love with PS novel and its words, infact it has become a time machine for me to travel down to those places which i wan to go in real.. as kalki himself describes it in the intro.. i hope you would have also read the novel on RRC, by balakumaran . named Udyaar..
I have never asked my people out there at my home about the decedents. as their know-how about the same is sparse, as they are much more spiritual than historical..
Found this group to be a brilliant one.. Which is always on a buzz about PS.
theres one descendant of kalinga/telugu cholas apparently that orissa balu sir talks frequently about... he told me last time I met him in Chennai that this king ( who is really recognized as a king in orissa) has settled down in chennai to avoid publicity and is probably gonna be tested for dna samples through some connectioon that orissa balu sir has... balu sir, why dont you give us some background on this king...
Also, (from what little biology I understand) DNA tests will show-up descendents only on the maternal side; basically, we can figure out RRC-Vanathi's daughter's daughter's daughter's ... daughter (or son) living today, assuming we have DNA samples of Vanathi of course:)
of course, thats what balu sir told me too... do you know him, SPS?
btw, to answer the base for dna comparison, I asked balu sir the same question... he said they have some base samples to compare against... am not sure from where...
A big hello to Ponniyin Selvan members.I am a new member.Its interesting to know about the Cholas.Like other people here i am also curious to know who were the present descendents of the Cholas and Pandiyas.
I too read in junior Vikatan about the Pichavaram zamin family.What we know is only the Cholas had the right to get crowned in Chidambaram temple through the history of Kutruva Nayanar history in Periya Puranam. These zamindars were know as Cholanar.I got some info about these zamindars.
1844 - Rathinaswamy Surappa Cholanar was crowned
followed by Ramabadra Surappa Cholanar(Year unknown)
1944 -Andiyappa Surappa Cholanar was crowned
1978 - Chidambaranatha Surappa Cholanar was crowned.
It is said that the members of the Zamin family are now living in a place called Chellappan Pettai near Pandanallur. In 2004 in Jaya TV Programme "Achamillai Achamillai" film actress Lakshmi interviewed the Zamin family.In that programme two historians told about the possibilites of this family to be a Chola.
I came across one info about the existence of the Cholas during the 16th century AD.This is mentioned in the book called "Pandiyar Varalaru" written by Sri.Mangala Murugesan. It mentiones about one Chola called Veera Sekara Chola who occupied the territories of the Pandiyan who ruled some portion of the Pandiyan country.The Pandiyan is identified as Chandrasekara Pandiyan.
--- > > DNA samples - but then do we have any chola clans genetic material or > would the king's DNA be different than us mere mortals!! > > maybe samudrika lakshanam might help - no elephants around to > recognise that and garland them... > Hi, watched an interesting episode in the history channel yesterday - about the DNA sequence that could possibly be that of ghengis khan ( though at first it sounded a bit inconvinving)...read on
An international group of geneticists studying Y-chromosome data have found that nearly 8 percent of the men living in the region of the former Mongol empire carry y-chromosomes that are nearly identical. That translates to 0.5 percent of the male population in the world, or roughly 16 million descendants living today.
Dear SPS Well said I remember aslide I saw in a presentation
Statistics is like a Bikini Reveals a lot But hides the importnat bits!!
Hi
actually this was first said of tax returns what is reveals is suggestive, but what it conceals is vital. came in the readers digest years back but another aspect of statistics if you have one leg on a hot stove and one in the fridge , on the average you are comfortable.