Understanding pre-british india correctly
  • Hi Vijay,

    That's an interesting article. But too long to read patiently.. But
    i did read those parts belonging to southindia and ceylon.

    One thing i found is that, these were essentially written by the
    christian travellers, where in this article, they refer to them as
    idoloators. There is possibility of one sided view of the european
    travellers. (their mentioning of cowards!!!...)

    Any way, this cannot be rejected on the whole.

    Secondly, I could not get how this story fits our case.

    But, there is lot of information from these discussions. The new
    info, made me to again revisit my old opinions.

    Ultimately, the main difference i found b/w wars of our kings, and
    that of the invaders is that, while it was a raja dharma, and widely
    accepted one, of one country invading another.. But, the societal
    setup was not disturbed by these wars, although, the warring class
    suffered heavily.. (that too was an widely accepted, as the
    characteristics of the kshatriyas.. )

    The main reference i bank on these is dharampal's books.

    For example, Even during the worst period of mughals, the social setup
    of ours were largely intact, with our pre-british educational
    institutions, the various settlements all across the land, the typical
    social setup, the educational process, where each village had basic
    educational facilities etc.

    The common people were largely indifferent to the political
    happenings. That's why, even when mughals dominated, our people
    relented in and co-existed.

    As swamy vivekananda says, the only time, there was mass rebellion is
    that, whenever there is large interference in the religious beliefs of
    the common people.

    as i said in our earlier mails, the kingdom were conglomeration of
    small rulers, who accepted a particular kings authority. The king
    largely operate from his chosen bases like capital city and other
    forts that he built.
    The daily affairs were mostly taken care of the small kings.

    When another king invades and defeats the present king, then the small
    rulers tend to accept the new king's authority, and pays tribute to him.

    When the mughals invaded, this is what exactly happened. They
    initially set out for destruction of kafirs, but on seeing such vast
    settlements of people, and the enormous wealth, coming as tribute from
    numerous such small rulers, they retained the political setup, with
    some customization on their part.

    They disloged many of the big kings.

    But, again, whenever, there is any anti-people policies, the local
    rulers were sensitive to those, and they took side, to displace the
    present king.
    This happened during the moovendar eras also.. when pandiyan king is
    not fair, the local rulers switched side to chola to dislodge him.
    Because, they were directly accountable to the people then.

    It is this background, that when aurangazeb started large scale
    demolition and conversion, the local rulers, joined together, and
    fought back, and since the great sivaji was scoring at that time, they
    rallied behind him.

    Its the same reason, that many of the tamil kings, rallied behind
    vijayanagara empire, to fight against the muslim invaders.

    But, the greatest havoc is wrought by the britishers, who managed to
    collapse the entire social order. They took over numerous endowments
    to our indigneous educational institutions, temples, and other
    institutions of arts, medicine etc. They replaced our political
    setup, with their own. OUr local rulers were made dummy, and
    subvertient to collectors.

    The absense of the local kings to enforce dharma, and association with
    non-dharmic based britishers, led to degradation of many of the local
    rulers.
    This is where, you have pointed numerous leisure, and palace kings,
    who doesnot cared about people. Because, there was no one to punish
    them, for going against the people. For the britishers, they were
    fine as long as they receive the agreed tribute. But, it was not the
    case with indian rulers. The scholars in the society took the issue
    to the king, and ensured that either the local chief is punished or
    warned.

    This is what, i so far understood about our pre-british society, from
    dharampal's book.

    So, i could confidently say, that the wars of the west, mostly based
    on semitic religion, which believed in believers and non-believers, is
    entirely different from the wars of india, which was purely a conflict
    of kingdoms.

    There were virutes, like not attacking the unarmed, children, women,
    etc. It was a moral code followed by almost all the kings.. And how
    such virutes developed among all kingdoms is researchable.

    institutions, and as they grow, they were taught to follow dharma.

    Its imperative, that we had our own treasure of administrative
    policies, and there were scholars, who were proficient in it. Even in
    wars, there were numerous tactics followed, which unfortunately were
    undocumented and lost after britishers banned all forms of martial
    practices in india.



    Reference: www.dharampal.net
  • Excellent Post. For the first time this long discussion made some sense to me.
  • Kudos to Senthil for the note.

    > But, the greatest havoc is wrought by the britishers, who managed to
    > collapse the entire social order.
  • Thanks ravi & siva.. I feel, encouraged..

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