nandini again
  • nice eternal question

    Was NANDHINI - daughter of Veerapandian or his Lover ?


    should also add was nadhini good or bad?
    was she a feminine repesentation of naganandhi- kalkis common
    personification of evil?

    just one small info. many people assumed kalki finished PS abruptly
    because he could nto justify nandini's charecter. he was writing a
    weekly and had comited himself much ahead. but then in1954 kalki
    finished ps serial in may, fell sicj in august and died in december.
    perhaps he had a premonition.
    so we can absolve nandini of that.

    venketesh
  • >
    >
    > Hi, This is K.Balaji;
    >
    > It is presented in many places in the novel, subsequent to the death
    > of Peria Pazhuvettaraiyar, that Nandhini is daughter of Pandian,
    > presumably Veerapandian.
    > >
    >
    HI veerapandian - was a name many kings took - so were there two veera
    pandian - one the father of nandhini and the other her
    lover....because in the start kalki's clearly says that when AK hunted
    down pandian to the hut, nandhini asks him to spare her lover. this
    infuriates him to behead the wounded and unarmed pandia much against
    yuddha darma..also AK laments and repents on hearing who veerapandia
    was just before he is assasinated (??) killed / comitts suicide.


    pandya's seem to crop up every where during that time. same way who
    was the small boy who was crowned in the jungle as pandya king ?

    so much for fiction, now some facts for discussion:

    incidentally i was with Kudavoil Balu sir and he explained to me that
    the initial reading of the Udayarkudi inscription was wrong and this
    led to whole line of wrongful inferences ( incl KAN)...as per him the
    udayarkudi inscription - is as follows:

    a resident of south arcot wishes to create an endowment for the local
    temple. in this regard he seeks a small portion of land and the
    village authorities look for an eligible piece - the land identified
    is a smallpart of the lands confisticated after the assasination of AK
    by the traitors ravidasan/soman sambavan who ran away /banished /
    punihsed ( earlier???) - since this is a high profile case and inroder
    to clear the title of the land - RRC who was ruling at that time sends
    his high officer to ensure that the endowment is done properly. so as
    per him the inscription is not noting the date of punishment ( 986 ad)
    but the date of the endowment. So there is no proof that ravidasan and
    gang held high posts in uttama rule ( if anyone does have any such -
    please do let me know), they could have run away after comitting the
    crime, justice was not delayed for 16 years.

    some more points for discussion -

    Ravidasan was a high officer during sundara time. anyone controdicting
    this

    his close relative was a high officer in pandya kingdom same time

    Both of them were trained in the chera academy ( kandhalur salai)

    they both plot to assasinate AK as his above unfair treatment of a
    fallen foe ( exhibiting his head on a pole)

    due to this reason RRC's first assignment or claim to fame is
    destruction of kandalur salai...


    vj
  • Many people would agree, but in the scene which Aditya karikalan remembers from his memory, Nandhini falls in front of Veera pandiyan's and pleads with him to spare her lover(Veera Pandiya). Kalki never tries to prove or state vehemently, that this Veera Pandiyan is the same the one who impregnates Mandakini ammaiyar. So sense of timeline loss is evident here and as always you have five pandiyas ruling from the pandiya kingdom always.

    Another question when it comes to five brothers ruling the pandiya kingdom and the resultant thayathi/pangali fighting? What is the selection process of the pandiya kings? We have seen the chola kings being selected from a council of cheiftains and generals, taking popular public opinion into account also.
  • Hi Vijay,

    Do you have any references that Ravidasan was trained at Kandalur salai or he had a relative in a similar position in the Pandiya kingdom? Also as per the reading provided by KAN, Ravidasan and all his family was banished from Chola or South India, if so which direction would he have to go? north ? if so, which kingdom would have received him?
  • Hi
    nandini was kalki's sarukkal if there was one.

    if kalki had written as a novel perhaps he could have corrected it.

    but then he wrote in weekly instalments which a lakh and ten thousand
    people( 2 readers per copy) had read already and registered in their
    minds.

    in one place nandini distinctly says veerapandiyan was her lover.
    in one place she calls oomai rani as her mother.
    from karuthirumans story the years fit in only for a daughter.
    she and amar bhujangan were twins. born very close to the date of
    sendan amudan.

    and another scene i never got a grasp on was nandini being gagged and
    thrown on veerapandyans pyre. ravidasan reminds this to her ( very
    closely linked with around the world in 80 days scene)
    how did they accept her as a leader immidietly.
    venketesh
  • sanskrit meaning of Nandini is happily enjoying or relaxing,etc. Something
    like that.
  • kalki's storyline was best at solaimalai ilavarasi.
    the screenplay was a work of genius.
    in ps. 95% goes according to a set story but then at one point he
    could not justify nandini's evil I guess.especially as a freedom
    fighter. the same way he could not justify nagandhi's evil in SS for
    naganandhi's love for sivakami comes out with flying colours in the
    end. especially after mamallan marries the pandya princess.
    venketesh

    -
  • Dear Venkat
    I beg to differ Nandhini was one of his greatest charectorisations of the female pshche along with Seetha and sivakami....They are complex They change...Nandhini herself agrees that she accepted to tend to Veera pandiyan as he propsed to make her queen however later claims to AK she said that just to infuriate him...
    Daughter...is probably correct...

    Regarding Her becomin the band leader...its by her design ....
    Remember Ravidasan reciting to her the events....She tries to say something...they let her live...and she runs in front to pazhuvettarayar...she then works up the rungs and uses Ravidasan and co as much as she uses the rest to reach the top to get back at all those who caused her pain as a child...

    But eventually doesnt really accomplish what she wanted to
  • Dear Sri,

    Thank you and (y)our dear friend Kannan for brininging out these
    mathemtical marvels.

    And NANDHINI ..

    Right from her very name, everything is seductive about her !

    So near .. yet not in reach .. mix of almost all of the Navarasas !

    Pazhuvur - Avani Ganthaveeswaram Temple inscriptions - talk of Pazhuvur
    Nakkan Panchavanmadevi .. !

    They do mention of Maravan Kandan pazhuvettarayar. Pls refer Archives
    for detailed discussion on Pazhuvettarayar..

    just for those who are get to dip into detailed History, Chinna
    Pazhuvettarayar and Nandhini are FICTITIOUS characters !

    Most probably the Panchavanmadevi @ Thillayazhagiyar, would have
    provided inspiration to Kalki to create Nandhini .. !

    To know more of PAZHUVUR Historically, pls go through the series
    articles by Dr. Kalaikkovan (and Dr. Nalini / Dr. Akila) in
    www.varalaaru.com.

    sps

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