Save Gokhale Hall from the bulldozer Voices of protest Preserve our heritage -I
  • Very Nice..

    With booming real estate values, how will we generate revenue to
    avoid temptations of these heritage buildings getting bulldozed?

    Incidentally, I happend to see a small marble stone stating "
    THILKAR BHAVAN" at the entrance of Hotel Chozha Sheraton on
    Cathedral Road !

    sps
  • Hi SPS sir

    Incidentally Ghokale Hall is the property of YMIA, which is now
    being controlled by possibly by a group, interested in coverting the
    space into a commercial property. If it is a property belonging to
    a single individual/family, the person will think twice before doing
    such a thing.

    YMIA, if I am right, is a public institution to serve the public
    cuase. Why should they develop a space by demolishing a great
    heritage structure?

    Dalal Street in Bomay and the whole area around it being developed
    by the owners very nicely with out losing its original character.
    Can we not repeat here?

    The Urban Heriatge Act, like that of Mumbai is very essential for
    Chennai too. There is a provision there to award more FSI elsewhere
    to those who preserve/do not demolish heriatge structures.

    A urban city must have open space. Harappa had it. Every city in the
    present world has it. Why not Indian metropolises? Perhaps, Chennai
    is the worst of all cities. May be we developed from a agglomeration
    of villages. Likely we never was serious about planning.

    The trend is to Grab the Land. A day will come when even the owner
    will sell the space above the ground (though legally the owner of
    the land is entitlerd to it)in undivided shares.

    Should the real estate owners be so greedy? We need Real Estate
    Developers who can give much requires open public space in the
    cities. They may come at cost. But they must be there. Our problem
    in Chennai we are having too many small players and they get a
    fraction of the icing. Am I right?
  • hi sir
    frankly expected a very strong reply as i was bit caustic about your
    trade.

    i always hold the view that government should spend more money on
    heritage, promoting traditions that are living by actively
    supporting the person who practice them.

    ancient kings always promoted such activities. in fact many even
    waged wars for creating many splendours.

    many splendours were created by master craftsmen because of loyalty
    or the sword was always rubbing his neck.

    in present day of democracy and globalisation every thing is viewed
    in selfish manner leaving nothing for the posterity except unwanted
    toxic garbage.
  • Very impressive reply Sir Hats Off
  • Hi

    on dsilva road where I stay and sps used to, the second house was a
    building dating 1910. green coloured building with a steeple type
    roof. belonged to bashyam iyengar - srinivasa iyengar family.

    gandhiji stayed there for a few days when he visited the city.

    I felt so bad when it was brought down and a leading builder built
    his own house there.
    but then I always tell myself, gandhi in such a long career must have
    stayed in a 1000 houses. cant preserve all of them can we?

    venketesh
  • Another thing I noticed in Chennai is the array of
    small road side shops along all main roads that create
    traffic congestions and parking problems...

    Just compare the LB road with the Kotturpuram road (
    which is compounded by the Birla Planaterium etc., and
    no roadside shops )...

    Govt can prevent building up of roadside shops without
    sufficient parking space inside.

    Alternatively, such small shop owners can merge and
    build big shopping malls with enough parking and
    navigation spaces - there by improving city outlook,
    revenue generation, increased ownership, utilization,
    more employment, less congestion and less pollution...

    What do you guys feel?
  • Intersting VK
    Delhi development is thinking of Emulating Jaipur in having shopping cum residential complexes.ie the frontage will be shops and the rear will be housing with parking facilities in the back
    I think its time we increased road tax and may be introduce congestion charges in busy areas
  • hi

    thanks for some reactions - emotional AV), professional (SPS)and
    aesthetic (SR, KV).

    the moot point is should the old building with heritage value be
    sacrificed by their owners? Should commericial interest takie
    precedence over heritage value?

    i may not be bothered if a private house (like de silva road
    example) be demoilsihed. Because, ina democartic set up with a
    secular constitution, the state representing the society can not
    interfere.

    But if a structure played a role for a public purpose, where the
    members of the community used it so, including trade and commerce,
    then the socity has a right to intervene for its preservation for
    posterity.

    Public halls, temples etc., are self explanatory.

    How trade and commerce. Take the example of P.Orr and sons, the Mail
    building, the Hindu, of course the Indian Express estate, the Bharat
    Insurance building, the Agurchand Mansions, the YNCA building on NSC
    Bose Raod, they all need to be preserved as they represent and are
    very few examples of the hisotry of colonial period of our city. The
    owners owe their exisitence for over years due to the faith showed
    by the society in their trade. Therefore, they must preserve them.

    An individuals has every right to destroy his own/his ancestors
    creations.

    Let me come to the FSI problem. No doubt we have some limited FSI in
    Chennai. Outdated rules.
    The fundamental character of any urban society is that every
    individual is boud by strict rules when they come in public. They
    lose their individual identity, Their houses must be built according
    to the rules. Their architecture must conform to it. Their movement
    on road is restricted by traffic rules. They are not suppose to
    creat incovenience to others. Use of public space is boud by
    regulations. And there must be state (authoruty) mechanisms like
    corporations. police etc.,

    But who cares for rules? Like the roadside shop owners. In chennai
    and even in Bangalore, I have seen many houses jutting into road by
    a feet from 1st floor onwards. Both individuals and promoters are at
    fault.

    WHO CARES and WHO STOPS?

    THIS IS WAHT I AM TRYING TO OPPOSE.

    THE HARAPPAN CIVILISATION LIVED FOR OVER A MILLENIUM. RIGHT THROUGH
    THE HOUSES WERE DEMOLISHED AND REBUILT. YOU KNOW THEY NEVER
    ENCROACHED BY EVEN A SIGNLE INCH. THEIR DRAINAGE SYSTEM - BOTH
    CLOSED DRAINS AND SOAKPITS WORKED FOR ALL THE 1000 AND ODD YEARS.

    CAN WE NOT ADHERE TO SAME TODAY?

    WHAT WE NEED IS DISCIPLINE.

    REGARDS

    SRIRAMAN.P.S.
  • CAN WE NOT ADHERE TO SAME TODAY?

    WHAT WE NEED IS DISCIPLINE.

    Sriraman Sir,

    Rightly pointed out. Discipline and understanding of the value what is being
    preserved.

    I guess the understanding of heritage takes a back foot when the promoters
    see an old buliding in
    a nice commercial place.

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