ramar paalam
  • Hi

    the dredging of the sethu samudram is being delayed after being hit
    by unforseen mishaps.
    the main dredging machine supposedly broke up. the machine that was
    used to recover the lost part also broke down.

    is this a co incidence?
    your comments please
    venketesh
  • hi;

    hope they treat is as a small obstacle and keep dredging!!! This shouldn't
    stop what is potentially a path breaking decision. Instead goods directly
    being sent from Tuticorin to elsewhere in the world now goods are being sent
    via Srilanka and transport through Tuticorin is costlier than Mumbai or
    other ports. TN needs Tuticorin to be the main port and not the feeder port
    for Srilanka.
    Ayya Kalaignare....vidamal thondungal!!!!
  • -Hi Rahul

    commercialism at the cost of environment?????????
    its a highly eco sensitive area.
    all said and done the eco survey done before the commencement of the
    project was one big farce.
    one oil spill in that area and the ecology is finished.

    there are islands here with exclusive bio systems.there was one with
    even wild horses in the past i have heard people say.
    venketesh
  • the actual news item for those interested:


    In yet another set back to the dredging work of Sethusamudram Ship
    Channel Project, a giant crane sent to retrive the spud that broke
    while trying to cut the "Ramar Sethu" or Adams Bridge in the Palk
    Strait has also broken and a part of it had sunk in the sea,
    officials said.

    The spud of the "Cutter-Sucker-Dredger Aquarius" had broken last week
    while cutting the bridge, dealing a blow to the dredging work. With
    the crane also broken, the project was likely to be delayed further,
    the officials said.

    The 150-tonne floating tug crane "Thangam", hired for several lakhs
    of rupees a day by the project officials, could not pull out the spud
    and broke in the process on Sunday.

    The crane's locking-key had broken and it would take another 10 days
    to retrieve and repair it.

    Officials were now thinking of bringing a bigger crane - Hanuman -
    having 200 tonne capacity from Vishakapattinam to retrieve both the
    sunken crane and the spud.
  • fantastic

    what a co incidence.

    but then I think hanuman had his share of troubles over the palk
    straight.
    a demon captured him with the shadow and nearly ate him up, remember.
    it would have been a bye bye for our "aanju" but for his using his
    brains that moment.

    lets see if his namesake fares as well

    venketesh
  • "Commercialisation at the cost of environment" this is happening throughout
    the country from Singur to Tuticorin. Im sure preserving environment is a
    very important factor in the future of our country but for one second try to
    rephrase the words in inverted commas "Preserving environment at the cost of
    commercialisation"!! Ithu yeppadi irukku...
  • Hi Rahul

    one big chunk of antartica went missing over the last month.
    was in the papers yesterday or day before.
    endangering the environment endangers us.
    its easy for you land locked guys to talk sitting in cozy in madurai.
    just think about us in the coast if the sea level rises and our dear
    friend sivaram stays in santhome just off the sea.
    venketesh
  • Why would you want to invest in a city which is near the
    > sea and is hardly older than the newest architecture in Madurai!!

    Hi Rahul
    I beg to differ

    chennai could even be older than madurai if valmiki as legends say
    attained moksham here.( no where else is there a place and a legend
    associated with valmiki for 1300 years- at the least for thevaram
    mentions him in connection with thiruvanmiyur)
    the song which vouches for valmiki is 1300 years old but then the
    fact that this town was associated with him was a long established
    fact even then. remember the dacoit turned poet is one of the
    earliest known citizens of india.

    not only age chennai can give a tough fight to madurai in literature
    too.

    kamban finished his ramayan here. some of the the best songs of
    pattinaththar and vallalar were written here. valluvan finished his
    kural here before he came to madurai with it.

    when your madurai was a bastion of jainism chennai welcomed sambandar
    with open arms and we even gave sundarar his bride( second one though)

    one of the apostles of christ died here.

    so, if chennai sinks in the bay of bengal a big chunk of history
    goes. and also rahul be prepared for a lot of live in guests from
    here.

    venketesh


    >
  • vanakkam,

    My last 8 mins in the kiosk & am tempted to reply!!

    Please go through the archives and find our thread "Madras nalla
    madras".. Will post the Msg Number!

    swetha
  • That was a fantastic piece. It seems an arguement is required to bring out
    the best of information. live-in guests are always welcome provided they
    prove thier loyalty towards the Pandya naadu ;) ;)
  • Broad divisions of the land to tabulate temples.


    broadly
    pandya naadu- madurai thirunelveli ramnad
    chola naadu the cauvery delta upto tanjore( even karur comes under
    kongu naadu)
    nadu naadu- cudalore panrutti thiruvannamalai regions
    thondai naadu( chennai kanchi chingelpet pondy even kalahasthi)

    out of the 4 shaivaite saints manika vasagar came from pandya naaadu,
    appar and sundarar from nadu naadu and sambanthar from chola naadu.
    sekkilar who tabulated the stories of the saints and did yeoman
    service to shaivism came from thondai nadu

    I have to confess I know pretty little about the alwars.
    sure andal came from pandi nadu and peyalvar from thondai nadu.
    can some body list where each of the alwars came from?

    venketesh
  • A year and half a back, when the sethu project was kick started
    (Again) the project was torn apart by experts saying that its not
    going to help in any way. As venkatesh and sps remarked, large vessels
    cannot pass through, the eco system is at jeopardy, it involves
    huuuuuuuge costs and to break even itself it will take almost 40
    years.And it wont bring much revenue as is being projected or the
    savings are also not that attractive.

    So ecologically or commercially this project is said to be useless and
    its being done just for the sake of doing it.
  • To put it simply it is politics!!! I was never aware of all these facts.
    sometime back i came to know that the minister responsible for this project
    holds two
    big international ships, probably he is trying to implement this project for
    those.

    yeah it the project will bring revenue, but the question is to whom????

    sorry for bringing politics here.
  • The only way of knowing whether there is any commercial viability in this
    project or not is to wait for it to be completed. Right now there are issues
    with goods being exported via Srilanka as this reduces Tuticorin to a 2nd
    grade port after Mumbai,etc. India needs a southern port for its textiles
    which come from Madurai and below, even Chennai and Kochi are far. Lets hope
    for the best. Im sure India as a nation has grown beyond digging up oceans
    because a minister has ships.
    Tuticorin is not ONLY about bringing in revenue its about making the
    southern Tier-3 cities like Madurai(we are not Tier-2 whatever the "experts"
    would like us to believe), Rajapalayam,Virudhunagar, Tuticorin itself
    attractive for foreign investment. These cities are small, stable, labour is
    far cheaper than the metros so the only thing which is missing is a good
    port. Tuticorin is a half baked port which can send feeder vessels to
    Colombo and they exporting it. Software companies dont need ports but the
    answer to unemployment and poverty is not the software industry it is the
    manufacturing industry eg. automobiles. Only manufacturing will create
    employment for the uneducated. As a reply to Mr.Venketesh's statement that
    "land locked guys" are getting it easy, the same way it is easy for the
    metro guys to say talk about environment saving as your employment needs are
    being satisfied. If given a choice between chopping 1000 trees or providing
    employment for 1000 uneducated folks i would choose the latter.
  • hi,

    The only way of knowing whether there is any commercial viability in this
    project or not is to wait for it to be completed.

    yeah, i realize that's true.

    I m sure India as a nation has grown beyond digging up oceans because a
    minister has ships.

    i really want to believe this statement, but pity i am not quite the
    optimist you are. guess this is not the forum to talk politics, i am
    stopping with this.
  • The only thing that can be negative with Sethu
    project is the issues connected to ecology. All other
    things are positive and prospective. Apart from the
    direct commercial calculations, there are numerous
    indirect benefits for the region and for the nation.

    Most of the logistics between east coast and west
    coast and viceversa will be very much simplyfied and
    one big limitation for logistic planning will be
    removed. This will pave way many new logistic
    planning, many new price reductions of commodities,
    etc., All these and many more like these are
    unaccounted in the commercial viability calculations.

    Though it is true that bigger vessels cannot pass
    through, this passage will give our naval forces
    enormous flexibilty in therir peacetime or wartime
    manovers. India will be altogether force on stratigic
    maps.

    Jai Hanumaan!
  • In Kumudam Reporter - R. Arul - State Secy - Pasumai Thayagam claims :

    " The so-called postulate that Rameswaram under-water bridge was of
    17.25 lakh yr old ,, and that NASA acknowledged this was not true.
    NASA refuted the PTI report and disclaimed in the year 2002 itself.

    It is an ADAM BRIDGE ( Nature made and Not man made) quoting Marc Hezz
    of NASA. "

    Let us watch for further details.

    sps

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