Ponniyin Selvan Varalaatru Peravai

Thanks Naren for Echoing my sentiments...

The other think I notice in the Vathapi Vinayagar article was the
unneccessary use of Vadamozhi(Sanskrit) in it.I shouldnt object
because I have a Shri in my name....

But if we criticize people for being addicted to western cultures and
use of english language...then using Sansrit letters is equally
critizizable

But it comes from the tallest order of Tamil hindu Clergy but still a
error is an error isnt it

Sri

Dear All,

Interesting topics with lots of inputs...learners delight...shall I
say.I am stunned by the flow of mails. An average of 15 mails per
day. I find it difficult to just read and corelate the
conversations..truely a learners delight.

Cholas conquering the himalayas..why its not possible??? When
conquering lands across seas like Lanka, sumatra, java, etc were
possible, why not Himalayas, is my question. Just think of those
days, 1000 years back, when no means of communication was there.
cholas went in 100s of ships to unseen lands and conquered them. If
that is possible, I think conquering Himalayas is quite easy, because
its all through the lands and only ganges in between, which is
nothing compared to the vast oceans they already conquered. Again, as
already pointed out in this group, tamil culture is very old that we
have mention of pandian kings in the mahabaratha war. I have some
more info. All accept that ramayana is much older than Mahabaratha,
quite a 100 years or even 1000s of years. In Bala Kandam of Ramayana,
while teaching Rama, Lakshmana, Bhartha and chatrugna, Vishvamitra
tells them about the greatness of Lord Muruga. Again, in Kishkintha
kandam, when Anuman first meets Rama, he thinks that Rama is as
beautiful as Lord Muruga. We all know, Lord Muruga is very much
related to Tamil and tamil nadu and if Ramayana has mention about
Lord Muruga, then we can assume that Tamil and Tamil culture can be
older than Ramayana..isnt it great???

Coming to the topic of our history being destroyed by western style
of education...well mathavaramanan, a very good mention of those. I
feel this awareness is slowly picking up. Indina culture and history
is not what we read and think what it is. it is not limited to just
2500 BC starting with the aryans. The crux of the story is...

The Europeans,especailly the Britishers thought that they were the
supreme and their growth is the best in the world. But when they
stumbled upon India and came to know about the richness and the
greatness of the country, they faced a nosecut. They were not able to
digest the greatness of India, its vedas, its upanishads, its rich
knowledge and the great history. They wanted to project that
everything started from the west and hence formed the Aryan Invasion
theory. As we all read, aryans were westerners who invaded India and
came in from the west, through the gulf region. The actual meaning
of 'Arya' in sanskrit is 'Learned','cultured' man and it never meant
a race, as its used today. Its also said that these facts were
insisted by some available evidences like harappa and mohanjodaro
excavations and some imaginary theories like aryan invasion etc. Its
a pity that no true Indian has ever written the History of India and
only the Europeans wrote the History of India, which we read today.
Even if Some India writes Indian History, its all based on the
writing of the Europeans.

Any logical thinking can show that, all these vedas, upanishads,
puranas, kavyas, all the literary works, the rich culture, tradition,
rituals, beliefs, practices, way of life, architecture, ...do you
think all these can be accomplished in such a short span of time..ie.
2500 years. And if Harappa and Mohanjodaro are were the first
civilisation which started around 2500BC, is it possible for such a
great nation to achive so much excellence with so varied culture and
tradition within 2000 years or so. We have ample proof that by 500BC -
1AD or so we have good civilized society, Ashoka the great, Buddha,
Adi sankara, sangam literature, Mahavira, Chandragupta maurya, etc
etc etc.....is all these possible in just 2500 years? We all know
that Islam came to India some 1000 years back. Even after 1000 years,
if there is no unity between Hindus and Muslims in India, how come
its possible for such a vast civilization in India, in different
regions, with different language, different religion to live in
Harmony, in just 2500 years after the first civilization. Though
today we say Hindus, it was only Adi sankar who united all the
sanathana dharma sects into one. Earlier saivites were fighting with
vaishnavites, and buddists were fighting with jains, and so and so
forth. We had atlest four religions then. Taking all this into
account, its impossible to restrict the first civilization to 2500
bc.How idiotic?

THE REASON : As highlighted earlier, the Europeans wanted to prove
their dominance and distorted Indian History. Britishers were good at
divide and Rule and hence divided the society based on Religion,
caste and creed. They wanted to prove their dominance always and so
restricted the age of vedas to around 2000bc. And we blind Indians
never questioned it and blindly followed it. Any opposing feelings
were suppressed. And thus we have the so called History today
distored, and people divided by caste and creed and hatred all along.
Even after Independence due to various political benefits this was
not corrected. Thanks to the communists and the erstwhile congressmen
who contributed to it..Nehru in his Discovery of India has said that,
without the Muslim Rulers, Indian art and architecture would not have
flourished. I think he never visited any part of India to see
masterpeices like Brahadeeswara temple in Tanjavoor or the Somnath
Temple or the Puri Jagannath temple or the Sun Temple of Konark and
so on so forth. So with the full support of such western patriots,
our culture was further tarnished.

The communists never wanted anything to flourish and always opposed
to anything related to the Hindu culture. With anti-brahminical
sentiments the history was distored. I think casteism is at its worst
only in the past 100-200 years. And since all the vedas and
upanishads were considered to be written by Brahmins, these western
patrons never gave them the due respect.

The story in Tamil Nadu is no differet. Here again the Dravidian
movement which is inturn an anti-brahminical movement did the same to
distort our history and tradition. As Priya rightly said, all the
tamil literary works were related to Relion and the dravida kazhagams
never gave them the due respect.

I strongly feel that such caste distaste is prevailing only for the
past 200 years or so. As rightly pointed out in www.kamakoti.com, the
varnasrama never paved way for dishormony in the society for 1000s of
years, but breaking this system, we are no more united only in the
past few 100 years..i would say from the day the europeans came into
India.

A lot about this has been written by the french journalist
Mr.Francois Gautier and his works can be read at
http://www.francoisgautier.com/mywork.htm .

I think such forums where learned people discuss can create a

Dear Sri,

Nice that messages crossed the 5000th mark and membership nearing 500.

Thanks for your mails.

Re Westernisation, I was opting for more inflows on the historical side of
Kanmdradithan or so. However, re compairing in TV, hardly any originality.
Priya was a trend setter in early years of telecast. Accent, dress,
modulations west-imitated, but content "Manmatharaasa... ". I was opining
only on this.

Re Rehman's song .. yeah .. it is good to go around South at this part of
time and enjoy green pastures.

Re Himalayan conquor etc., I agree these things would have taken place and
really would have been amazing. Kudavoil wrote an article in Kumbakonam
Mahamaham special issue titled "Aavi mudal THAAVI varai ". - quoting a
Thevaram of Thirunavukkarasar - interpreting that the "Thavi" was really "
Jammu Thaawi" and tried to establish that Thirunavukkarasar really
visited "Mount Kalailash" (as shown in Thiruvarutchelvar movie - played so
well by Chevlr.Sivaji) !

It was also said that from Srivillipurthur to Madurai "Bell Towers" were
constructed & spaced so that Thirumalai Nayak took food after
hearing "Uchikaala" bell of offerings to Aandaal.
That was a codified way of communication. Like wise any such method was
followed in those days by the Kings to send and receive important messages -
was my inquisiteness. Kalki writes of "Owling " " Lighting of flame-
torches " (Like striking matches in Robert Ludlum's novels) being some
forms of communications.

Re young New Members, very good mails are flowing regularly which are rich,
informative and enjoyable. As we used to discuss, they are going to be the
Torch Bearers of our Rich and Valuable Traditions in the Centuries to come.

When we are really talking of Globalisation now - as (Sir) Sri pointed out
rightly - communicating in the English language - aryanisation etc., should
be looked at from broader perspectives ... As Meenakshi wrote of
Vandhiyathevan - Kundavai meet in the 23rd Century sometime back - thanks
to Marathadi - there are possibilities of our becoming mere NUMBERS and
LANGUAGES becoming Dots / Codes ! May be we are in a cycle already.

fondly, sps