Between 135,000 and 75,000 years ago, the East-African droughts shrunk the water volume of the lake Malawi by at least 95%, causing migration out of Africa. Which route did they take?
It is not a myth; it is a reality. Na-aryan was a creation of the non-aryans, so also na-aryanmars (nayanmars). The Dravidians wanted a separate identity for themselves for a long time. It is not a creation of a 20th century politician. They created Muruga, a Nataraj, singularly Dravidian and Tamilian, another sub-divide. We are fed by gleanings from interested persons. R Narasimhan
Ithu oru complicated subject with no conclusions many a time.
Another view - When Ayan takes the form of Naran, it becomes Narayan.
Dravidians wanted a seperate id ellam Pro-Anti DK discussion, i dont want to get into that.
But going by generic classifications of the color / behavior etc of dravidians (as per some documentation) I believe Rama and Krishna fit perfectly in the scheme of dravidians and for some reason Muruga does not :)
Hi the more you read of logistics in those days its seems unbeleivable that one race dark in color and south of the vindyas and one race fairskinned north of the vindyas were battling each other and maintainng a seperate identity. to a southerner living in madurai, delhi or punjab were as alien as usbekistan or tajdikistan is to us today. it would have taken a person a year to travel to delhi and a year back if he started immidietly. where is this question of rivalry. I think none before pulikesi crossed the vindyas in a mentionable way. it was malik kafur after him. then tuklaqs and mughals. i am sure the aryan invasion is a huge huge myth.perhaps a slow migration was compressed as a hurried invasion.
Subsequently - over a period of say about 600 years,
Chera name changed :: for example, Baskara Marthanda ravi varma
Pandya - Sundara Pandian chola : Sundara cholan
The similarities in the finds at Adhichanallur (recent ones) and Harappa (about 100 years back) Sind Province... need to be explained.
Brahmi Asokar Brahmi Tamil Brahmi etc.
There have been ayes and nos re several factors...
We see most of the theories putforth in the past 25 - 30 years are not absolute... and changing... with newer finds / interpretations.
The theory Aryan - Dravidian DIVIDE becomes a myth - when Adhichanallur and Harappa finds are compared... It appears the Word DIVIDE can be replaced with MIX.
We have earlier posted an article in our Gp ... " Muruga " word related to Muruga existed is even prior to Sangam Origin ! It is MURUKU having Sanskrit Origin.
Again the word DIVIDE can be replaced with MIX.
Saivism - from Mt Kailash at Mt Everest getting mixed with Nature worship / Aalamarselvan - ethnic Kotravai Vazhipadu etc.. at Indian Ocean.
Lot of things need to be gone into before putting a concise postulate ..
Subject paper appears to have diluted the DENSITY on the word DIVIDE.
My Great Grand father's name is 'Ramaswamy'. Grandfather - Subramaniyam. Father - Arunachalam; Me - Satish Kumar - My daugther - Shambhavi.
Five generations - all pure sanskrit names. But Ramaswamy, Subramaniyam and Arunachalam are TODAY considered to be old fashioned names. Such names like Kuppaiah, Kuppusamy, Ramasamy, Annamalai - which today's generation might ridicule at (surely if any one names their newly born kid as Ramasamy, atleast a few will say why such old fashioned name) were in vougue just a few decades back.
In 70's born you can find a lot of Satish - this group has atleast 4 Satish, I think and I am sure there were born in the 70's.
80's - the trend was to name the babies with A sounding or sh sounding names. Aashish, Aditya, Amritha, were quite common.
Mostly in 70's and 80's the kids were named for fashion and no further reason. The name should sound modern and apealing. 90's had a trend of short syllable names - Pyush, poorvi, Krish - just a few letters, short syllable.
2000 - parents do have a lot cultural/spiritual/traditional inclinations and are hunting for traditional but rich sounding and meaning names. Shambhavi, Sibi, Samyuktha, Samravi, Saanvi, Aadeesh, etc.
In fact, some people hunt for even pure tamil names. A few years back, in a marriage of our office colleague, I met one of my colleague and her husband and son. I was surprised to hear their son's name - 'Kavin'. They were in the US for more than 7 years and just had returned and their son was 4 years then. I told them, 'do you know the meaning of Kavin, its a 100% pure ultra refined Tamil name'. She said, yes, my husband was particular about a tamil name. In my previous company one of my colleague names his son 'Kavin Mugil' - just 6 years ago.
And we find that trend pretty much..many of our group members are towards naming their kids as Poonguzhali, Kundavai etc.
Thats the trend now.
Just 40 years....and such a huge differences in naming pattern. Mainly attributed to the communication and knowledge availability of these decades makes these possible. What it took just 40 years would surely have taken 400 years in the historic time frame we are talking about.
And that perfectly matches your sangam - 600 years later time frame naming conventions. Does it not?
Ofcourse, Mix is always there...without that 'Mix' and change, the world have come to a standstill long back. Its definitely not DIVIDE as you said, and you used the right word 'MIX'.
//Brahmi Asokar Brahmi Tamil Brahmi etc.//
Again, - Early Tamil movies - Sivaji movies - had loooooooong dialogues. Who can forget 'Parasakthi' and 'Manohara'. And the herioines has to definitely say atleast 'Daddy-mummy'. Then the 70's saw 'yathartham' - Barathirajaa kind of stuff.
80's saw 'en.......edhukku......en ippadi' in dark without clarity (in visual and dialogue - hope you understand whom I am referring to :) ) kind of dialogues.
90's were more visual than dialogues...
2000 - SMS language 'gr8 i hv d tkts fr d mv...lts mt at t8tr"....
THough i was speaking about movies, the script and the dialogues were written and their form and language varies dramatically. (today no writing only typing).
So in just 40 years so much change in the language we use and you are trying to derive our history from 1000 year wide gap scripts...... Is it possible to derive our history through those means is my questions? :)
many of my classmates named their daughters after top heroines of their college era. found a lot of saranyas especuilly
when i named my son akshey people asked me why a sanskrit name? then i placed a small quiz before them" whats the name of Ravana's( the dravidian icon) first son.
Venkat, Ravana's first son was Indrajit/Meganada, i dont get the connection to Saranya? Not to forget Vaanadhi was a very popular name during PS days, including owner of Vaanadhi Padhippagam.
Venkat named his son as Akshey.... His friends asked him why Sanskrit name and not a tamil name? For this Venkat asked his friends what is the name of Ravana's son?? - meaning Ravana being projected as the dravidian (???) icon his sons had sanskrit name and not tamil names...
Venkats friends naming their daughters after Saranya is totally a different statement than the above.....
Thanks Satish..and glad to have give you a workout :)) Aaama theriyaadhavangalukku eppadi idhellam details theriyum neenga short hand la pesi kitta..sorry naanum detail fulla pakkalai so my fault also :)
All these details I am also reading for the first time and what ever Venkat wrote is all the information I have. So in this context I have the same information as you or anyone do.