Earliest reference to Deepavali celebrations..
  • Dear All,
    Can someone tell me what is the earliest literary evidence for Deepavali
    celebrations in India? Also, how was it celebrated in days of yore? (Am
    assuming that the whole firecrackers thing is only a couple of centuries
    old).
  • Arun, yes of course the firecrackers and only a century or so old. In
    olden times (I have some old records from my own ancestors) it was
    celebrated with mud lamps on kolams. The British introduced fire
    crackers starting with the sparkler/mathhappu and people starting using
    them for many festive events including this. If you watch movies from
    30s and 40s you can see how diwali is celebrated with lamps and
    mathappus. See this movie from the 40s -



    Diwali has hundreds of legends associated with it, some historical. It
    is celebrated not just by Hindus but Sikhs and Jains also. My
    astrologer used to say the sacred date is the reason why so many events
    happened (or supposedly happened) at this time.

    The Sun appears on Mesha Sankranti - or Aries Sign of the Zodiac and
    sets of Tula Sankranti, .(The Sun entering the Aeries sign of the
    Zodiac )The Sun sets in the Polar region on Tula Sankranti day (when
    the Sun enters Libra) In the movement between these two signs there is
    an interval of Six months . After the Sun gets in Libra the dark half -
    year starts - in western countries it is winter and in our country it
    is heralded by Deepavali. As we can see through this collection of
    facts, tradition, and custom, Deepavali is a time of great joy and
    prosperity, a time when the darkness of ignorance is lighted by the
    bright light of knowledge and Truth.

    The wiki link has a good collection of all the legends and historical
    events surrounding this festival.

    Malathi
  • Hi All,

    Thanks for the explanations!

    For many days I had this questions on Diwali... let me put here!

    1. I heard that the 'new' moon day is called Diwali... It is even now celebrated on the same day in all the states except our TN... may I ask why just in our TN the day differed? I also hear from Maharashtra, Andhra and Karnataka that they are also Dravidians... so why it is just in our TN...we differ from others on the celebration day..for Diwali.. (meaning 1 day before new-moon day)...

    Similarly for Pongal which used to be 14th Jan...this year it moved to 15th Jan... not knowing the reasons.. yet..

    If anyone can shed any light on this and clarify my doubt...it will be very helpful...

    Rgds.,

    Shiv
  • After the Sun gets in Libra the dark
    half -
    > year starts - in western countries it is winter and in our country
    it
    > is heralded by Deepavali. As we can see through this collection of
    > facts, tradition, and custom, Deepavali is a time of great joy and
    > prosperity, a time when the darkness of ignorance is lighted by
    the
    > bright light of knowledge and Truth.



    Seasonal affective disorder, a mood disorder with depressive symptoms
    in the winter.
    noted how all festivals during the season navarathri, diwali ,
    karthigai are all about lighting bright lamps???




    firecrackers thing is only a couple of
    > centuries
    > > old).

    sure?
    ithink the chinese had it for long time. the poor mans fire sparkler
    is to light a coir rope at its end and go around in circles it causes
    a beautiful ring of fire.







    > >
    > > Regards,
    > >
    > > Arun
    > >
    >
  • Venkatesh, I think Malathi meant "firecrackers for Deepavali is only a
    couple of centuries old"..
    Again, I have not heard anything yet about literary sources for how
    Deepavali is being celebrated.... what about old Purananooru etc? Anything
    in those?
  • Yes that is true. How *modern* fire crackers found their way into
    India is via the British as far as we know. There wer firecrackers
    even before that but not as safe or modern and even the discovery of
    fire crackers is debated as possibly in India or Arabia, not
    necessarily Chinese. We have documented evidence of using 'bomb' type
    of crude 'crackers' to blast wells centuries ago, that is not the
    type of crackers though that Diwali is about.

    The reason I know this is by talking to someone who works for a
    modern pyrotechnic company in Germany and exports firecrackers to US.
    Where I live (Louisville) we have one of the world's greatest
    fireworks once a year over the bridge, a truly visual treat!!

    Malathi
  • >
    > Dear Arun - Refer Alberuni's India of the medieval period which has
    a
    > reference to Deepavali.




    I think there is a low priced edition from publications division of
    the government


    born 15 September 973 in Kath, Khwarezm, died 13 December 1048 in
    Ghazni)
    so he was between fa hien & huen tsang on one side and marco polo
    and batuta on another.
    india the the eyes of the visitor is very fascinating.

    trivia: alberuni has been honoured with the stamp by ussr, iran and
    afganistan.


    venketesh

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