Is it fair that everytime its the Brahmin community which is singled out for criticism? Is it only the Brahmin community which is settling down in the US? I dont want to start a caste feud but i thought our group was beyond such cheap shots.
Udanx; My sister got married a couple of months back and we advertised her profile in a number of magazines. Nowhere was there any evidence of the stupidity mentioned below. There were requests for guys girls "willing to settle in the US" but nothing close to the nonsense below. The below writeup seems more out of frustration of not finding a suitable girl than anything else.
Udanx, you re saying you dint poke fun at the Brah community but your mail clearly states *".... its the attitude of people (particularly Brahm Community) and so called modern day mindset which is nothing but b****it" *
Its a bit like the Muslims claiming everything is a Zionist conspiracy.. :) In our house we have made a joke of that.. anytime we can't explain something.. we put it down to "Zionist conspiracy"..
Having said that, I don't think Udanx was making an anti-Brahmin statement.. I think the blog writer just happened to be a TamBrahm but the issue is the same across caste-lines in India
Udanx; I too have a cousin who fits the very same profile you are citing. The reason he's still unmarried is because he takes the "jaadagam matching" criteria too far. Your friends probably have such a criteria. Ask them to give a honest reason on why they haven't found(thats the word, shouldn't use the word "got") a match. Trust me, they would have rejected a few for a particular reason which they are unable to compromise.
since tam bramhins are the most visible amongst nris they have been chosen as a background. i am sure many castes have overtaken bramin emigrant numbers.
even percentage wise some communities like the nagarathars have almost a tenth of their population abroad. i used to have a classmate who didnt get married till he was 30. he was n the us. his mother used to plead" caste not important, jathakam not important, money not important ponnu computer padichirutnhaa pothum" this was in the early ninetes.
we used to poke fun at her ( may her soul now rest in peace) aunty you can marry off your son to a computer. athu better. it was very common to seek employable brides in us those days. things change but expectations remain. just like the rajarika marriages of ponniyin selvan.
Haa, Now I know it is the lack of computers & communication technology & marketing people like Dhiwaker bhaskar that the poor girl sacrificed her life for the courier boy ! In contrast look at today's girls - it is their time to make demands now.
I think Manimelkalai atleast had a chance to fall in love. Girls of my time (atleast most of us) Kannai moodikittu appa kaattina payyanukku kazhuthai neetiyachu. Shobha
No comments - for or against. Just thought will share what I came across.
A couple of years back, my Sisters family started looking for a girl for my sisters machinan's son. he is in auto industry, decent pay, his father is in business for almost 3 generations...a decent well to do family. They searched a bride for more than 2 years (ofcourse he got married last Jan)..
The demands that they came across.... The guy should earn atleast a lakh per month (i commented, they should look for a guy in late forties and not late 20's, because only at that age, there is a remote possibility of earning 1 lakh per month even in IT industry) Girls mother to the boys mother - can I go to US for delivery??
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I have many telungu friends from my MCA (no offense meant to Telungu people). The guys will say, I am doing PG to increase my dowry. The girls will say, I doing PG to decrease my dowry... veetukku veedu vaasappadi...
Even if based on Stats....Is Stats not science? Appo why B.Sc Stats...it should be BA stats right? :)
Everyone can have their own view....I am not promoting Jadagam....but my personal experience....astrologers seldom tell anything on my jadagam, because they say, yours is kalasarpa jadagam and hence only Ragu and Kethu can direct your future. But whatever little they have said, everything has happend....so far.... for that matter my family never go behind astrologers...only for my marraige jadagam matching they went to an outside astrologer..never before never after...once in a blue moon my grandfather or my chittappa (both are good at this) do throw something here and there during casual chat...never looked at my jadagam fully. Just by my rasi, nakshatram...thats it. So i do believe in it. Probably it can be generalization...but still many say its a science..
Lets not make it a new thread....top 10 countdown ippa than soodi pidikuthu...
Not exactly.. Stats is not science... Science is based on a testable hypothesis and any experiment that proves a particular hypothesis wrong, negates the entire hypothesis. That is not the case with statistics..
I know jadagam here is a matter of "belief" for people and I tend not to argue or debate about beliefs. But I do take objection to people calling astrology .. science! :)
The science that you refer to is material science. Spiritual science is much more vast. Understanding that requires many many life times. Astrology is a small part of it.
Do you believe in life after death? Just a curious question!
Nopes.. I don't believe in life after death. Again, I guess our definitions of what science is, varies. And I can't see any science in how planets/stars can affect our life. (Yes, there is pseudo-science available with claims about the gravitational fields of planets etc.. but while that might have an effect at a material level, I genuinely do not see how that can affect my actions).
Anyway, like I said, beliefs can't be debated with!
Since energy can neither be created nor destroyed, and can only be transformed from one form to an other, can there be death as an absolute end of life which was a form of energy?
hmmm life is not equal to energy.. that is a fallacy in your proposition. the "matter" in the body is conserved as ash.. and hence energy and mass conservations are not violated. Death and life are abstract concepts.. you can't really bring them into the equation here.
Like I said, "there was a mass that functioned"... that mass was either burnt and converted to ash and other forms of energy.. so the law of conservation of mass and energy work very well there.
There is no confusion abou tthat. Do you agree with that? What do you mean by "where did this arise from"? It is a completely biological process. And then the growth of the body is based on the nutrients it receives.. so again conservation of mass and energy.
I didn't say life and death are not scientific facts.. but the premise of "life" and "death" as some sort of alternate forms of energy is not scientific.. life and death as spoken about by "spiritual" people are abstract concepts.
I thought that even conservation of mass, energy and momentum are all postulates which cannot be applied at all levels. There is a qualifier for the law of conservation of energy -the law of conservation of energy states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant. As long as the systems we deal with conform to the above condition, fine; the law and equations are correct. There is no guarantee that the laws will be valid for all universes. As the law of 'parallel lines never meet' in Eucledean geometry fails in elliptical or hyperbolic geometry (which are more relevant to curved space and so on). In my opinion, spirituality and our current earth science concepts and rules are two different streams. One cannot be used to prove or disprove another, at least not in the foreseeable future. Sampath
Sampath, Completely agree here. Well an "isolated" system can be as large or small as one wants.. so we can model it anyway we want. However, I agree with you that science and "spirituality" are two different streams. My objection was to using "pseudo-science" to bolster up spirituality .. which is actually a matter of belief.
Really? There is nothing false? I am sure we can find a lot of things that are wrong.. but let us not get into that since that is a matter of belief as you also mentioned. To me, where belief exists, we can't really debate that point.. but, don't call it science. You can believe that planets affect your motion but until and unless there is scientific evidence backing that up, that is all it is --- your belief.
Agree with your point about us not knowing everything. And about how it all originated.. there are still a number of hypothesis about that and it will probably never get solved to everyone's satisfaction. You again state that "there is a vast science associated with astrology". Can you please show some snippets from that? What do you mean by "science" in this regard?
You might like to refer to the books I recommended. After reading those (only after), you can also read "Light on Life:An Introduction to the Astrology of India," You may also read "Ayurveda:Life Health and Longevity" Both these are by the same author Robert Svoboda. You may also read simultaneously - Paramahamsa Yogananda-Autobiography of a Yogi.
The reason why I am recommending you to read is because without a basic understanding of the concepts or possibilities, it will be difficult to comprehend or accept. I myself was in a similar position a couple of years back.
If you want to watch some interesting scientific (not western science!) discourses, you may like to watch a few videos of Paramahamsa Nithyananda on youtube. I think there are more than 400 videos but you may start watching them in the following order
Kathie, :) Well, there are more religious people and believers than "others".. so I am not at all surprised. But it has been a good discussion, without rancor. I am willing to take a look at the videos that Sandeep suggested.. after all a scientific temper implies the willingness to test every hypothesis. :)
There are many votaries for hard sciences, but few for soft sciences.
There are two accepted norms:
Everybody is innocent till proved guilty. The accused has to prove his innocence.
Whether 'astrology' is a science or not is fought in several forums; if 'definition of science' is the criteria, no problem, as definitions also evolve and mutate.
Just on the lighter side, the british metro rail system has vastly reduced overcrowding in trains, when objected to by auditors - by changing the definition.
More than 10 standing passengers for every hundred means overcrowding. Now the overcrowding limit is raised to 30 per 100.
My point is, it is OK to discuss the scientific or unscientific nature of astrology; but the knowledge and wisdom preserved over thousands of years must not be allowed to perish. Sampath
It will be worth it, Im sure. Btw, I am not religious. I have never visited a temple in my adult life. I am only in it for the science - spiritual science!
Sampath, I see a basic disconnect here between my position and others so far. And that is this: Somehow, people talk about "eastern science" and "western science".. to me, science is science..the truth, period. Doesn't matter who says it. As the Vedas say, "Let good thoughts come to us from all sides".. this is equally true of good science. Just because something was done in antiquity in India does not automatically grant it the status of "good science" just as not every bit of science coming out of the western world is "valid" or "bad".
Science is truth.. the way I see it. Now, if people argue that astrology is science, then they ought to be ready for questions challenging that and asking for lines of evidence. At least as Sandeep has provided with some "videos", we can take a look at them. Whether I personally would consider them as scientific evidence, I can only say after watching them.
I agree with you entirely when you say "science is science." It is the seeking of truth. A whole bunch of pseudo swamis and such like have corrupted the vedic science and the onslaught of British rule for a 100 years has relegated a wealth of knowledge into degradation.
People talk of "eastern science" and "western science" because such a distinction has unfortunately been made. I think this happened as a consequence of British rule. We are led to believe that the so called Western Science is superior due to the evident progress over the last 100+ years. So, since science is science, we need to at least re-look at our own known tradition of more than 5000 years.
If you are able to read the books I gave you, it will be worth it. To know spiritual science and truth, we need to listen only to enlightened souls. The Nithyananda videos on youtube are a treasure house of information on vedic tradition from this uniquely enlightened person who is only in his early 30s.
Dear Sampath, I didn't mean to come across so hard-lined, but I'm afraid I'm in Arun's camp about this. (having an engineer for a father probably influenced me)
Stars are too far away to affect us; stars making up each sign of the zodiac are made up of stars from many different galaxies, of many unrelated, incomprehensible distances from earth. They only appear to be related to each other. > Kathie > >