top 10 kalvettu
  • Hi

    most of the kalvettus available on temples of tamilnadu are logically
    temple related edicts.
    its mostly about donations to keep the different aspects of the
    temple running.
    most are about funding for lamps and for which lands or goats are
    given.
    they do give the name of donors and receipients and the mode of
    donation. of course they identify the location of the temple down to
    district or village level.
    what most of us consider as the historical aspects are sadly
    neglected.i am of course not talking about the copper plates.
    frankly very few kalvettus give us a historical perspective of our
    kings and events. however there are some superstars among them.
    vijay , sps and others could you give us the op 10 kalvettus which
    have historical data and some impact on us.
    by the merit of having started this discussion i list the first two

    1. udayarkudi mentioning the punishment to adityas assasins.
    2. vanthiyathevan kalvettu in big temple linking rrc, kunthavai,
    vanthiyathevan and vallam( the backbone of ps0


    venketesh
  • Dear Venkat,

    with due regards, I submit we have

    Lavanya .. who reads inscriptions
    Ram .. who founded our Gp and reads inscriptions
    Kamal... who has written on temple architecture in varalaaru and
    Gokul .. who is versatile..

    among ourselves !?

    This team, under the able guidance of Dr. Kalaikkovan and Dr. Nalini
    has accomplished a lot and recorded .

    We read the contributions from the first three more in varalaaru.
    Gokul, with his preoccupation, does make contributions whenever
    possible (like the one posted today).

    Gokul's "Rajakesari" is also much discussed fiction among varalaaru
    readers.

    Yourself, Pavithra & Dhivakar (there are other writers like Natarajan
    and others ) are well recognised in the Print Media already.

    I understand our dear Vijay's BLOG is much discussed among the
    various Tamilnet Groups and beyond too.

    As your rightly mentioned, the Udayarkudi inscription which contains
    the name of Ravidasan, Soman Sambavan, Parameswaran has ignited me to
    look more into inscriptions and guiding me towards Udayalur (via)
    Thiruvalanchuzhi and the Big Temple !

    Super Star/s ???

    Probably that honour in our Group need to be shared
    by yourself (Kaviri Maindhan, Thilliyil oru Kollaikkaran, Kalki
    biography... with much more in the offing with variation to Chola -
    Pandya History through Malikgafur .. through Kopperunchingan and
    others !) and Dhivakar (Vamsadaa / cholas, Thirumalai thirudan /
    Vaishnavism, Vichitra chithan / Mahendra Pallava and another in the
    ofing .. contemporary !)

    Trust Vijay does concur.

    regards, best wishes & Greetings,

    sps
  • vijay , sps and others could you give us the op 10 kalvettus which
    have historical data and some impact on us.
    by the merit of having started this discussion i list the first two

    1. udayarkudi mentioning the punishment to adityas assasins.
    2. vanthiyathevan kalvettu in big temple linking rrc, kunthavai,
    vanthiyathevan and vallam( the backbone of ps0


    venketesh
    =======================

    Of course we can give dear Venkat.

    3. Papanasam :: 8th Yr of RRC :: Reproduction of an old edict ::

    " Idhuvum pazhangallil vettinapadi " quoting Sembianmadevi's grants
    during Uthama period .. ending with " sembiayan madevi
    thiruvayirudhitha Uthama chozha devarkkaga endru pazhangalli
    vettinapadi ... "

    Quiz : Is this Papanasam near Kumbakonam.

    NO. This is near THIRUVARUR !

    sps
  • SPS,

    With due regards to all in the field.

    I think Venkat's question is quite different. Is there any kalvettu,
    which gave us a great historical reference as Udayarkudi. From
    Udayarkudi we clearly know that AK was assasinated by whom and what
    punishment was given to them. I think, Venkat is asking (and I too
    have such doubts) whether we have any kalvetu which gives such
    historical facts. Almost all the kalvettus found give us info about a
    nivantham given to a temple, by whom, when and what, may be with info
    about under whose rule (like Kulothungas 5th Regn. year or 20th Regn.
    yeat etc). Such kalvettu's give us a micro level history pertaining
    to the local area.Any kalvettu, which gives us a broader spectrum of
    History?

    Becuase, the two example quoted by Venkat gives us many historical
    info about the royal family and their acts. (like VD was chola's
    mappillai)which is the History as a whole. Where as the reproduction
    of old edict, given by you, is again a nivantham, if I am correct.

    Venkat,

    Correct me if I am wrong.
  • Dear SPS,

    Thanks for the clarification. ah...I too was thinking about the
    Kapilakal (thats the only one I remember. Courtesy- Gokuls kalvetu
    sonna kathai :) and you mentioned it. I think that gives us one of the
    best incident in ancient history.
    Thanks SPS.
  • >
    > Dear Satish,
    >

    > Item 4 : KANYAKUMARI INSCRIPTIONS OF VEERA RAJENDRAN (S/o Rajendra I):
    >
    > These INSCRIPTIONS almost confirm the geneology mentioned in the
    > COPPER PLATES of Leyden Grants (@ Aanamangalam village grants by RRC
    > & Rajendra I to the Naagai Buddha Vihar - In PS already this Buddha
    > Vihar exists ! ) and Thiruvalangadu Copper plates of Rajendra I.
    >
    > Item 5 : KANCHI KAILASANATHAR TEMPLE INSCRIPTIONS of Rajasimhan :
    >
    > These describe the geneology of PALLAVAS.
    >
    >
    > Vijay will continue the other 5.
    >
    >
    > anbudan / sps
    >

    Dear SPS,

    I am not quite sure whether my question is valid. I dont have much
    knowledge as you people do, but for long time I have this doubt.

    If we can accept the copper plates of RJC or the one you mentioned as
    4 to accept the geneology of Chola's, why still some people dont
    accept that pallavas are of Indian origin, based on Kanchi
    inscriptions and keep repeatedly saying that they are from Iran or
    some other place and do not belong to TN/India? I have not read
    Pallavar Varalaru by Dr.Rasamanickanar. Has he touched upon this?
  • >
    > Super Star/s ???
    >
    > Probably that honour in our Group need to be shared
    > by yourself (Kaviri Maindhan, Thilliyil oru Kollaikkaran, Kalki
    > biography... with much more in the offing with variation to Chola -
    > Pandya History through Malikgafur .. through Kopperunchingan and
    > others !) and Dhivakar (Vamsadaa / cholas, Thirumalai thirudan /
    > Vaishnavism, Vichitra chithan / Mahendra Pallava and another in the
    > ofing .. contemporary !)
    >
    > Trust Vijay does concur.
    >
    > regards, best wishes & Greetings,
    >
    > sps
    >

    Hi sps,

    Everyone is a superstar in psvp - just that some have graduated
    faster, am sure there are many more authors and historians who will
    flower in this fertile bed of PSVP, enriched by his master kalki's
    immortal PS and supported by good souls like you.
  • > > Super Star/s ???

    Hi the question was about superstar kalvettus...



    I also remember one which says temples were locked up during the
    madurai sultanate priod.also on how no pujas took place.


    venketesh




    > >
    > > Probably that honour in our Group need to be shared
    > > by yourself (Kaviri Maindhan, Thilliyil oru Kollaikkaran, Kalki
    > > biography... with much more in the offing with variation to Chola
    -
    > > Pandya History through Malikgafur .. through Kopperunchingan and
    > > others !) and Dhivakar (Vamsadaa / cholas, Thirumalai thirudan /
    > > Vaishnavism, Vichitra chithan / Mahendra Pallava and another in
    the
    > > ofing .. contemporary !)
    > >
    > > Trust Vijay does concur.
    > >
    > > regards, best wishes & Greetings,
    > >
    > > sps
    > >
    >
    > Hi sps,
    >
    > Everyone is a superstar in psvp - just that some have graduated
    > faster, am sure there are many more authors and historians who will
    > flower in this fertile bed of PSVP, enriched by his master kalki's
    > immortal PS and supported by good souls like you.
    >
    > rgds
    > vj
    >
  • ok, here goes my pics:


    1. Ashokan edicts:

    Why imporant:

    Reference to cholas and pandyas in ashokan edicts

    More information:

    http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma/asoka.html

    Everywhere[2] within Beloved-of-the-Gods, King Piyadasi's domain, and
    among the people beyond the borders, the Cholas, the Pandyas, the
    Satiyaputras, the Keralaputras, as far as Tamraparni and where the
    Greek king Antiochos rules, and among the kings who are neighbors of
    Antiochos,[3] everywhere has Beloved-of-the-Gods, King Piyadasi, made
    provision for two types of medical treatment: medical treatment for
    humans and medical treatment for animals.

    2. Mahendra's magadapattu kalvettu

    Why important:

    He claims that he built a temple for the trinity without using brick,
    wood, metal or mortar….

    More details:

    http://www.poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2008/08/31/what-a-mace-what-a-mace.html

    3. mahendra's rockfort kalvettu

    Why important:

    Where he converts from a hostile faith!!

    More details:

    http://www.tamilheritage.in/Pallava+cave+temple+at+Rockfort

    4. Rajasimha's ( ok subject of contention) atiranchanda madabam
    inscription

    Why Important:

    Some vital clues or more confusions to the authorship of the mallai
    monuments:

    The message proclaims that Atiranachanda caused this temple for Siva,
    Uma and Skanda. The message is very clear. But we need to establish
    who this Atiranachanda was. The problem is similar inscriptions are
    found in Ganesa Ratha and Dharmaraja Mandapam. There are similarities
    as well as variations in the scripts used among these.

    More details:
    http://www.tamilheritage.in/Saluvakkuppam+Complex

    5. Dasavathara inscription of adhi varaaha madabam:

    Why important:

    This is important for two reasons. One is that this is the earliest
    epigraphical listing of the ten avatara-s in the Tamil country. The
    second is that the Buddha is shown as one among the avatara-s
    replacing Krishna.

    More details:

    http://www.tamilheritage.in/Adivaraha+Mandapam

    Pallava inscriptions and their birudas - titles are a study by itself
    - they had such wonderful and delightful titles, we should have a
    seperate thread on them.

    Ok, now with respect to PS - apart from inscriptions and plates, kalki
    also drew heavily from mahavamsa accounts.


    6. Aditya Karikala - vira pandiya thalai konda ( did he literally take
    the head or was it figurative to mean defeat - later plates proved
    that he indeed cut off the head and displayed it on a stake outside
    tanjore)

    similar ref to his bravery as a young boy ( 14 years) - a lion cub
    sporting among elephants.


    7. The Thiruvalangadu copper-plate inscriptions:

    "…Though his subjects…entreated Arulmozhi Varman, he…did not
    desire the kingdom for himself even inwardly as long as his paternal
    uncle coveted…".

    "Having noticed by the marks (on his body) that Arulmozhi was the
    very Vishnu, the protector of the three worlds, descended on earth,
    [Uttama] installed him in the position of yuvaraja (heir apparent) and
    himself bore the burden of ruling the earth…"

    8. The famous big temple inscriptions listing kundavai and
    Vallavaraiyar Vandyadevar

    why important

    becase rrc listed his akkan ( elder sister) ahead of his wive(s) -
    kalki picked his respect for her.

    more details:

    http://www.whatisindia.com/inscriptions/south_indian_inscriptions/tanjavur_temple/no.1_2_north_west_walls_upper_tier.html#_ftn5

    9. Udayarkudi inscription

    why important

    Lists the assasination of AK - by traitors ( throgigal) and gives
    their names - Ravidasan and soman sambavan. and also the punishment -
    since they were brahmins, they were spared their lives, but they were
    banished along with their entire families, families that had marital
    ties with them

    More details:

    http://www.varalaaru.com/default.asp?articleid=374

    10. Big temple top filial inscription

    Why important:

    RRC donating gold for coating the top filial - on the 275 th day of
    the 25th Year of RRC. 985+ 25 - 1010 as date for completion of the big
    temple


    Thus it appears that the construction of the temple began in the 19th
    year and that a considerable portion of it was completed by the 23rd
    year. On the 275th day of the 25th year the king presented a
    copper-pot to be placed on the pinnacle of the central shrine. We may
    conclude from this time; for, so far as the central shrine was
    concerned, the fixing of the copper-pot on the pinnacle would have
    been the last thing to be done.

    more information:

    http://www.whatisindia.com/inscriptions/south_indian_inscriptions/volume_2/introduction.html

    Guess, we can continue like this to make it top 20:

    The temple dancer endowment of RRC
    The grant for the nagai buddhist vihara

    RJC

    Kadaram kondan
    Gangai kondaan
    Retrival of pandya haram from lanka
    King of cambodia paying tribute ( golden chariot)
    Defeat of srivijaya and bringing back of vijaya thronam ( victory arch)
    Construction of GKC and the pillar of victory

    Oh there are so many
  • Wonderful list Vijay!
  • if we ask vijay to list top ten he goes on to top twenty thirty
    good
    but thiruvalangadu unacceptable- i mentioned only kalvettu.



    > 1. Ashokan edicts:
    >
    > Why imporant:
    >
    > Reference to cholas and pandyas in ashokan edicts

    so we have kalvettus establishing antiquity of tamils and the
    muvendar


    > 3. mahendra's rockfort kalvettu
    >
    > Why important:
    >
    > Where he converts from a hostile faith!!


    phenomenal. how tamilnadu changed its religion overnight

    2 faiths 2 kings and 2 saints. the history of our land changed and an
    edict mentioning it.
    vijay would i be asking too much if i want to see a kalvettu for the
    pandyan king nedumaran changing faith too?


    > 5. Dasavathara inscription of adhi varaaha madabam:
    >
    > Why important:
    >
    > This is important for two reasons. One is that this is the earliest
    > epigraphical listing of the ten avatara-s in the Tamil country. The
    > second is that the Buddha is shown as one among the avatara-s
    > replacing Krishna.

    an edict explaining the religious scenario of the past. one which is
    so different from today.





    > 8. The famous big temple inscriptions listing kundavai and
    > Vallavaraiyar Vandyadevar
    >
    > why important
    >
    > becase rrc listed his akkan ( elder sister) ahead of his wive(s) -
    > kalki picked his respect for her.


    good point.



    > 9. Udayarkudi inscription
    >
    > why important
    >
    > Lists the assasination of AK - by traitors ( throgigal) and gives
    > their names - Ravidasan and soman sambavan. and also the punishment
    -
    > since they were brahmins, they were spared their lives, but they
    were
    > banished along with their entire families, families that had marital
    > ties with them


    kalki took the names of the assasins from this.


    > Kadaram kondan
    > Gangai kondaan

    given the logistics and the distance involved these kalvettus will
    have great historical importance if we find contemprory evidence.


    venketesh
  • Hi VJ,
     
    You forgot the Mangulam inscription of the 3rd Century BC which mentions Pandian Neduncelian.
     
    This is one of the oldest Tamil inscriptions and mentions a king's name and that too Pandian Neduncelian.
     
    Thanks and best regards,
  • ( posting on behalf of dhivakar sir)

    VELVIKKUDI GRANT:

    JATILA PARANTAKA NEDUNJADIAYAN (765-815 ce)

    If not this grant was explored, we would have not known most of
    happening during dark period (as mentioned by historians) and Kalappirar.

    Nedunjadaian issued the Velvikkudi grant and was donor of that village
    to the descendents of the original donees. Much of the early history
    of the Pandyas too, could not have been peiced together but for this
    informative and lengthy document.

    Long ago, the Sangham Oandyan King Palyagalasalai Mudukudumip
    Peruvazhudhi granted a Velvikkudi (Brahnim Village - tax free) to a
    brahmin KoRkai Kizhaan NarkoRRan. When the Kalabhras took over the
    Tamil country, they destabalised this charity; then centuries later,
    when Parantaka Nedunjadayan became King of Madurai, one Narasinghan, a
    descendant of earlier KoRkai Kizhaan represented the King his claim to
    the Village. The King reendowed the descendent of the original; and on
    the Velvikkudi copper plates, the new grant was inscribed with
    unusually full description of the King's acheivement.

    The grants were issued in the third year of Nedunjadaiyan.

    When completely read all the inscriptions of Velvikkudi plates,
    Kadungon, the first revived King of Pandya appeared in the plates. He
    who conquered the Kalappiras.

    For people who do research on Pandya, the Velvikkudi grant was goldmine.

    Dhivakar
  • Uttaramerur inscriptions where Monarchy gives rules and system to stabilize
    Democracy is certainly one to find place among the top 10 kalvettus!
  • Wiki Vijay Pedia...

    ayya..unga kalayum kattunga....
    Excellent post. A great treasure trove for ignorantslike me.
  • Hi Vijay

    can we now sum up the top ten.

    i think the uthiramerur democracy kalvetu comes first.
    much after greece but still i think first in feudal india where even
    today democracy is only namesake.

    once we sum up the top ten we expect more details on them.
  • Hi Vijay

    i disagree.
    how can chronology affect importance.
    like saying the egyptian civilisation was better than the romans.

    please start off with a kalvettu of your choice. we could list them.
    it would be a trasure for the archieves.


    venketesh
  • hi venkat

    Noted, let us spend some more time is listing more inscriptions

    i am sure we have missed a few

    - like the hathigumpha inscription of kharvela - The only other
    inscription apart from Ashoka edicts to date that mentions rulers
    south of Kaveri or Tamil Nadu

    Kharavela of Kalinga records his conquest of a federation of Tamil
    kings in his Hathigumpha inscription, so the the antiquity of Tamil
    rulers is established.

    - how about the gaja bahu sync / dating of silapthigaram.

    - references in literature - karikalan kattinaan kallanai

    - Kulottunga and sundara pandya each destroying each other cities and
    their throne rooms - ploughing with donkey ( my fav)

    - even inside this point to note is sundara pandya destroyed
    everything but a mandapa which was gifted to poet kannanar by karikala
    - such was his esteem and regard for poetry.


    oh, there are so many
  • There is a simple, scientific and accepted (?) way. Define the
    parameters for evaluation - age, content, veracity, location etc. and
    then award ratings. Weightage for the parameters can be assigned to get
    the total score. The first step is to define the parameters.
    Sampath
  • parameters-

    primary- the extent to which the kalvettu helps us learn about our
    history.
  • Like Shoba observed let us also use the knack of Venkat .. linking
    discussions to PS !!

    That way we will highlight PS Characters related inscriptions
    atleast first ...

    like the Big temple one related to Vandhiyathevan .. & Kundhavai.
    the Udayalur .. linked to Ravidasan & Co..

    beyond these we will extend to Uthama, RRC and his daughter
    Kundavi, son-in-law Vimaladithan ..

    Irrespective these, TOP 10 Inscriptions which are the NERVE for the
    History of Tamilnadu with Uthiramerur, Pandiyan Nedunchezhian etc.

    Top 10 - which are the NERVE for the History of India .. Hathikumba,
    Puliyancheri ....,

    These mails can be serialised also.

    sps
  • Hi all,

    Democratic states existed in india, even during the period when alexander was invading upon on North-western parts of the sub-continental india. I would be rating Heliodorus Garuda-stamba as one of the top ten, for it tells that Hinduism was patronised even by outsiders.

    http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/heliodorus-column.html
  • supporting material on SPS sir kharavela inscriptions


    Hathigumpha Inscription of Kharavela of Kalinga


    Hathigumpha Inscription of Kharavela of Kalinga
  • hi venkat

    why not make it easier - we can work on inscriptions related to PS
    first. not sure of PK but a few for SS !!

    and then maybe work on top 10 of all time

    suggest we also include references from mahavamsa and also plates. so
    we can come up with a complete historical references for PS.
  • Hi All

    A tamil inscription in china which talks about a temple thirukathaaleeswaram
    in china, read more at the following link

    http://www.yarl.com/forum3/index.php?showtopic=40429
  • Dear Vijay,

    China vaiyum vittu vaikalayaa neenga :-)
  • Very nice..

    But I vaguely remember to have read some related details too...

    that the MERCHANT (Nagarathar) community constructed a Siva temple
    in China sometime back... (same one)...

    will check archieves too.

    anbudan / sps
  • ..
    >
    > that the MERCHANT (Nagarathar) community constructed a Siva temple
    > in China sometime back... (same one)...

    i have details of temples built in 1875- 1920 in vietnam, laos,
    burma, cambodia and of course singapore malaysia.
    some of them still exist with great amount of jewels. the murugan
    temple at saigon has a vaira vel.
    china was similar territory at that point of time. must have had
    nagarthar temples too.
    a novelty about chettiar families is that they have " patta peyar"
    some are like 'thenna marathaar viidu" many are based on the
    locations their banking operations were in like bavaniyar vidu,
    kovilooraar viidu.
    rarely we come across families with names of places in burma, ceylon
    etc, corrupted with time.

    venketesh
    >
    > will check archieves too.
    >
    > anbudan / sps
    >
    >
    >
    > --- In [email protected], "Satheesh kumar R"

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