Pallippadai
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    Stonehenge Could Have Been Resting Place For Royalty

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080529195341.htm

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080529/ap_on_sc/sci_stonehenge

    The Sheffield archaeologists, Professor Mike Parker-Pearson and
    Professor Andrew Chamberlain, believe that the cremation burials
    could represent the natural deaths of a single elite family and its
    descendants, perhaps a ruling dynasty. One clue to this is the small
    number of burials in Stonehenge´s earliest phase, a number that
    grows larger in subsequent centuries, as offspring would have
    multiplied.

    Many archaeologists previously believed that people had been buried
    at Stonehenge only between 2700 and 2600 B.C., before the large
    stones, known as sarsens, were put in place. The new dates provide
    strong clues about the original purpose of the monument and show
    that its use as a cemetery extended for more than 500 years.

    The earliest cremation burial dated — a small pile of burned bones
    and teeth — came from one of the pits around Stonehenge´s edge known
    as the Aubrey Holes and dates to 3030-2880 B.C., roughly the time
    when Stonehenge´s ditch-and-bank monument was cut into Salisbury
    Plain.

    The second burial, from the ditch surrounding Stonehenge, is that of
    an adult and dates to 2930-2870 B.C. The most recent cremation comes
    from the ditch´s northern side and was of a 25-year-old woman; it
    dates to 2570-2340 B.C., around the time the first arrangements of
    sarsen stones appeared at Stonehenge.

    This is the first time any of the cremation burials from Stonehenge
    have been radiocarbon dated. The burials dated were excavated in the
    1950s and have been kept at the nearby Salisbury Museum.

    Another 49 cremation burials were dug up at Stonehenge during the
    1920s, but all were put back in the ground because they were thought
    to be of no scientific value. Archaeologists estimate that up to 240
    people were buried within Stonehenge, all as cremation deposits.

    The latest findings are the result of the Stonehenge Riverside
    Project, a collaboration between five UK universities, which is
    funded by the National Geographic Society and the Arts and
    Humanities Research Council (AHRC), with support from English
    Heritage. The project´s last digging season near Stonehenge saw
    excavation of houses at nearby Durrington Walls, the precise dating
    of Stonehenge´s cursus — the ditched enclosure nearly two miles long
    that has long puzzled archaeologists — and new discoveries about
    the "Cuckoo Stone" and the timber monuments south of Woodhenge.

    Professor Mike Parker-Pearson, from the Department of Archaeology at
    the University of Sheffield, who leads the Stonehenge Riverside
    Archaeological Project, said: "I don´t think it was the common
    people getting buried at Stonehenge — it was clearly a special place
    at that time. One has to assume anyone buried there had some good
    credentials.

    "The people buried here must have been drawn from a very small and
    select living population. Archaeologists have long speculated about
    whether Stonehenge was put up by prehistoric chiefs — perhaps even
    ancient royalty — and the new results suggest that not only is this
    likely to have been the case but it also was the resting place of
    their mortal remains
  • > Stonehenge Could Have Been Resting Place For Royalty



    Hi vijay
    these stone structures above burial spots were common in that age.
    we have one near guduvanjery discovered by gift siromoney
    megaliths, or dolmen(??)

    must have been to mark the place or protect the corpse from wild
    animals. then ego crept in My grand father's burial stone is bigger
    than yours type.

    here is a small write up from gift siromoney's page

    Around 300 B.C., there were people of the Iron Age living in Tambaram
    area and they built their burial monuments in the form of dolmens and
    stone circles which are called Megaliths (big stones). Fine examples
    of such Megalithic Monuments can be seen about 100 metres east of the
    Great Southern Trunk Road near Guduvancheri railway station.


    a photo is in his page
    http://www.cmi.ac.in/gift/Archeaology/arch_tambaramhistory.htm


    if you have time look up the design of sakthi sthal of indira gandhi.
    looks amazingly similar.
    venketesh



    >
    > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080529195341.htm
    >
    > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080529/ap_on_sc/sci_stonehenge
    >
    > The Sheffield archaeologists, Professor Mike Parker-Pearson and
    > Professor Andrew Chamberlain, believe that the cremation burials
    > could represent the natural deaths of a single elite family and its
    > descendants, perhaps a ruling dynasty. One clue to this is the
    small
    > number of burials in Stonehenge´s earliest phase, a number that
    > grows larger in subsequent centuries, as offspring would have
    > multiplied.
    >
    > Many archaeologists previously believed that people had been buried
    > at Stonehenge only between 2700 and 2600 B.C., before the large
    > stones, known as sarsens, were put in place. The new dates provide
    > strong clues about the original purpose of the monument and show
    > that its use as a cemetery extended for more than 500 years.
    >
    > The earliest cremation burial dated — a small pile of burned bones
    > and teeth — came from one of the pits around Stonehenge´s edge
    known
    > as the Aubrey Holes and dates to 3030-2880 B.C., roughly the time
    > when Stonehenge´s ditch-and-bank monument was cut into Salisbury
    > Plain.
    >
    > The second burial, from the ditch surrounding Stonehenge, is that
    of
    > an adult and dates to 2930-2870 B.C. The most recent cremation
    comes
    > from the ditch´s northern side and was of a 25-year-old woman; it
    > dates to 2570-2340 B.C., around the time the first arrangements of
    > sarsen stones appeared at Stonehenge.
    >
    > This is the first time any of the cremation burials from Stonehenge
    > have been radiocarbon dated. The burials dated were excavated in
    the
    > 1950s and have been kept at the nearby Salisbury Museum.
    >
    > Another 49 cremation burials were dug up at Stonehenge during the
    > 1920s, but all were put back in the ground because they were
    thought
    > to be of no scientific value. Archaeologists estimate that up to
    240
    > people were buried within Stonehenge, all as cremation deposits.
    >
    > The latest findings are the result of the Stonehenge Riverside
    > Project, a collaboration between five UK universities, which is
    > funded by the National Geographic Society and the Arts and
    > Humanities Research Council (AHRC), with support from English
    > Heritage. The project´s last digging season near Stonehenge saw
    > excavation of houses at nearby Durrington Walls, the precise dating
    > of Stonehenge´s cursus — the ditched enclosure nearly two miles
    long
    > that has long puzzled archaeologists — and new discoveries about
    > the "Cuckoo Stone" and the timber monuments south of Woodhenge.
    >
    > Professor Mike Parker-Pearson, from the Department of Archaeology
    at
    > the University of Sheffield, who leads the Stonehenge Riverside
    > Archaeological Project, said: "I don´t think it was the common
    > people getting buried at Stonehenge — it was clearly a special
    place
    > at that time. One has to assume anyone buried there had some good
    > credentials.
    >
    > "The people buried here must have been drawn from a very small and
    > select living population. Archaeologists have long speculated about
    > whether Stonehenge was put up by prehistoric chiefs — perhaps even
    > ancient royalty — and the new results suggest that not only is this
    > likely to have been the case but it also was the resting place of
    > their mortal remains
    >
  • Dear Friends,

    IT is interesting to go through these details again on the auspicious
    occasion of Most Rev. Alphona - born in Kottayam, Kerala in 1910,
    became BUN in 1927 and died in 1946 is being accorded SAINTHOOD by
    the HH Pope Benedict XVI in Vatican as of now (when I am putting this
    mail !).

    The Sainthood is accorded since a physically challenged child got
    cured sometime back after praying in front of the Tomb of (St) Most
    Rev Alphonsa !

    ==== following exchanges are reposted from earlier mails /-----------
  • Dear all,

    This February, I went to visit the so called RRC Pallippadai. (after all our discussions in the Forum, I not sure of what i saw is true one or not).

    Along with this place, i visited the near by temple "Paalkualtthi amman kovil' in the same Udayaalur village where the inscriptions of the Pallippadai are found in the pillars of this amman temple...

    :( I read about the existance of RRC's tomb only by reading an article by Madhan in Aanandha Vikatan (i guess 1998 edition or so)

    How come he wrote this?

    Shriram



    http://album-photo.geo.fr/ap/album/5780/
  • ..
    >
    > :( I read about the existance of RRC's tomb only by reading an
    article by Madhan in Aanandha Vikatan (i guess 1998 edition or so)
    >
    > How come he wrote this?
    >
    > Shriram
    >
    >
    >
    > http://album-photo.geo.fr/ap/album/5780/
    >
    dear sri

    read this post ( its in tamil)

    http://classical-music-review.blogspot.com/2006/11/blog-post.html
  • Dear Virarajendra,

    this may help.

    regards/ sps
  • Dear Thiru Sivapathasekaran - I am "very very thankful" to you 'for taking so much of pain', in providing so much of informations on Pallippadai Temples etc, which are very useful to me and I have saved them in my Computer for future reference.

    Anbudan Virarajendra
  • One little point to add:

    - The person who actually did this viradham is a pidaran. Pidarars were singing Padhigams. They are musicians

    Lovely exchange of ideas
  • Re: Pallipadai

    Probably a Pallippadai on the banks of Kollidam would have sparked such a magnum opus PS by Kalki !

    searched while looking for some details re Kalahasthi ::

    =========


    reposting a message from Gokul ::


    Aditya-I's Pallippadai by name Kothanda Rama Iswaram has been
    identified near Kalahasthi. It was built by his son Parantaka I

    Arinjaya chozha's Pallipadai has been identified near
    Thiruppurambiyam (or is it another place? - memory is failing me).
    It was built by Rajaraja I.

    Panchavan mahadevi pallipadai is near pazhaiyarai. It was built by
    rajendra I. We visited this and this month's Thisaigal magazine
    (www.thisaigal.com) carries an article about our visit with Kudavoil.

    Vaanavan mahadevi pallipadai exists somewhere near madras (again
    forgot the place - I think it is brahmadesam near ennayiram). Built
    by Rajendra I.

    Many other pallipadais have been mentioned in epigraphs but not all
    are tracable. Most pallipadais are mentioned in the name of
    Iaswarams - Panchavan mahadevi Iaswaram, Vaanavan maadevi Iaswaram
    etc. There is a mention about a vaanavan mahadevi Iswaram in one of
    the epigraphs in Thirumayam. Dr.Nalili touched about it in one of
    her articles in www.varalaaru.com

    Recently SPS had given an email about a series of 5 pallipadais
    identified by Dr.Kudavoil.

    Kudavoil also postulates that rettai koil - a place near kumbakonam
    might have housed vaanavan maadevi - sundara choza's pallipadais.

    No pandiyan/chera pallipadai has been identified so far - to my
    limited knowledge. Infact no indian king has invested time or
    resources to built a big tomb for him. We did not believe in
    sanctifying the body of a lost soul - we just burnt it - be it king
    or begger ! This is in striking contrast to egyptian or chinese
    beliefs....

    There might be a reason why only chola kings built pallipadais on
    top of their last remains. Most of them were pasupatha cult
    saivites - going through siva deekshai at some point of time. In
    order to understand the full genesis of pallipadais one needs to
    understand pashupatha cult - which has almost completely been lost
    or destroyed.

    I'll stop this long mail here :-)
  • I know a small village called pallippadai about 2 kms from chidambaram
    town.
    It is in the route of cuddalore to chidambaram ,in a branch road near a
    church .
    This information may be useful to some people involved with this subject.
  • Date:20-2-2010

    Dear Gokul,

    You have mentioned below as,

    "....Panchavan mahadevi pallipadai is near pazhaiyarai. It was built by rajendra I. We visited this and this month's Thisaigal magazine
    (www.thisaigal.com) carries an article about our visit with Kudavoil...."

    I am interested in this article of yours. I tried to reach www.thisaigal.com but failed.

    Could you very kindly help me with the corresponding URL Link for me to reach this article.

    Thanking you

    Virarajendra
  • where is the location near kalahasthi. i will go. now i am almost in andhra

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