Unpublished reports of ASI
  • Unfortunately shows the level of commitment these people have in their
    work and to think that these are the ones that do the excavation in the
    first place... pathetic..
  • > Unfortunately shows the level of commitment these people have in their
    > work

    I have moved with quite a few ASI staff in south and all seem to be
    reasonable, sincere & responsive. I think there are other issues in
    writing / printing out the reports. One (for sure) is the lack of
    expert man power required for such tasks.
  • I go with Gokul. Thought I didnt get as much chance as Gokul, through
    this group, I too have got chance to meet a couple of people from ASI
    and they are really committed. I hope the varalaaru team and rest like
    Shankaran, Swetha, Venkatesh et al will agree with me.

    When our group memebr Mr.Sriraman explained his experience of taking
    the photographs of the murals in Big Temple, we were all mesmerized.
    He called it a penance. People like him, Mr.Rajavelu keep travelling
    and are away from the families for days or months together and their
    work is really commendable.

    Operation wise, ASI is at par..without them we would have lost many of
    the masterpieces without maintenance. Bringing out the findings, yes
    surely we lag, but as Gokul said there are many issue behind which we
    are not aware of. But its mostly Politics than logistics, as far as I
    am concerned.
  • I agree with Sathish and Gokul.

    Dr. T. Sathyamurthy from ASI spearheads our efforts in temple cleaning - not
    because they are temples, but because of the desire to protect historical
    monuments. There are other people, like Mr. Rajavelu I know from ASI who are
    involved with us in temple cleaners... people who go out of thier way on
    sunday to spend time for the betterment of these historical artifacts...
    There are people who come with us and provide expert advice for estimation
    and solving restoration problems. they are many more who have helped us
    indirectly and on single trips in such efforts. They leave their familes on
    holidays and come along with us for the love of history and nothing else.

    There are people from the state archeology dept who have helped us with
    knowledge on epigraphy among other things.

    And to think of it, ps and temple-cleaners are just two groups. There are
    many more, whom am sure are getting the support of such people.

    It is not beleivable that these noble souls would do any less in thier jobs.
    There might be other reasons why these reports arent done... maybe theres
    not enough manpower. Maybe the person with specialization is not with ASI
    anymore. Maybe theres something else.

    It is not right to generalize in this case.
  • I forgot to mention, that all these people seem to have a deep sense of
    pride about thier jobs and role they play. They are proud to be part of
    ASI... something that I generally dont see in other government departments.
  • hi

    nice interesting thread. but no comments for the present.

    sriraman.p.s.
  • Hi
    1.we cant generalise
    2. the interest in our past is preserved by wonderful people like
    sriraman, rajavelu whom I have had an opportunity to move with.

    3. participating in the beach meetings with sriraman opened up a new
    world for me and steered my interest to a broader sphere.

    venketesh
  • hi

    thanks for many compliments. what do you, as a public and tax payer,
    expect from asi? psot comments dear members

    sriraman.p.s.
  • Folks: Can the people from Team PS in Bangalore please
    meet sometime? It would be nice to sit around with a
    cup of kapi and talk PS :) When is the next Chennai
    beach meeting?
  • hi
    sivaram wants a madras meeting this weekend.
    can we meet in museum for a change and a fore noon meeting?

    come on guys christmas is not far off. we need to plan.

    Is Mr. Sriraman willing to do an assorted one day trip with us

    pre historic, pallava, chola, european on the ecr.
    sir, can you tell us about some cave men site on this road.
    preferably before al hambra.
    venketesh
  • Unfortunately shows the level of commitment these people have in
    their work and to think that these are the ones that do the
    excavation in the first place... pathetic..

    ===============================================================

    When you do something of the kind of work at ASI, its not just the
    present, but you need to be answerable to the future and do justice
    to the past. I agree that they have the pride and are really
    committed to the job at hand.

    But tell me how many of us have come across software programmers who
    are so committed to their coding and just do not bother to document
    it and as a result, the next person who gets in charge is in deep
    trouble. So what if you do have a technical writer in your team, do
    you mean to say that you cannot come up with a decent level of notes
    or comments that someone at a later stage can write a decent report.
    So much for a software program which incidentally with a little time
    can be done again all over.

    Then think about the magnitude of this issue. I am sorry to say this,
    but am not generalizing. That was an immediate response on reading
    that article. But it still holds good to those who have not finished
    their reports. I know I am being harsh here. We may have N number of
    reasons to not complete what we started. But it depends on what we
    start. Each has its own implications and its own magnitude in the
    consequences reaped as a result of being incomplete.

    As it is, so much of our history is lost due to lack of
    documentation. We have so many skeptics in the world arena about our
    stories—which could have histories had we had documentation to
    support them—which are considered myths and legends for lack of
    documentation. And excavations like this, if they are not documented
    as and when they happen, just think of the implications and the data
    that is getting lost on an already lost civilization. Some seniors
    who were involved in the expeditions during the 60's or 70's may not
    be alive today and even if alive, hope they are senile enough to get
    this done. I doubt that strongly. So, what is the amount of
    information that we have? So tell me how much was this senior officer
    really committed in getting the information that he had obtained to
    pass on to the next generation. Wasn't that the objective of that
    particular excavation, or am I wrong here.

    When we handover our work at our work place be it resigning or
    retiring, lets be honest to ourselves and ask, how many of us have
    really handed over, a desk that is well documented and clear for the
    next person to take charge. And that is also part of our work, in
    fact a major part of our work. Unfortunately not many think so or do
    so. In certain areas as a result of this, the damage done is minimal,
    in certain areas colossal—in this area it is colossal.

    I genuinely understand that they are committed to their work and are
    proud to be associated with ASI but are they doing what is required
    of them is what I am asking. If they are not then how can you say
    they are committed? Commitment to a job is seeing it get completed
    and how can it get completed without the completion of a report of
    what you have done for your future generation to know what was there.
    Don't they have a right to know for the amount of money and resources
    that you spent to do that and mind you, you made a living out of
    that.

    I do not mean to hurt anyone here. If I have been harsh, am sorry.
    Hope you see my point.
  • This Saturday will be a good time.
  • saturday 5.30 pm gandhi statue

    madras meeting?

    we will have to finalise by friday evening.

    come on all. perk up. we have lots to talk.
  • -
    CONFIRMING. SPS
    ==================
  • Dont blame me if I pull out at the last minute...my situation is
    like that...
    but 99.99%..ullen ayya...
  • Thoda... if my 'transporter (2?)' is only 99.99% sure, am only that much
    sure too ;)
  • madan

    political parties have two types of followers
    supporters and sympathisers.
    supporters are those who attend the meeting even if it rains!

    transport illai na meeting miss pannuven enbathu sympathizar category
  • lol! why do you have to have to bring up that topic every time ;)

    venkatesh, I dont mind being a sympathizer, if you think you offended me
    with that, you are wrong :P

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