Saint Ramanuja The connecting Link between orissa and Tamilnadu
  • Saint Ramanuja
    The connecting Link between orissa and Tamilnadu
    during 1060 to 1110.

    Need more information on Ramanujar
    S.Balasubramani B+


    In the year 1017 A.D., Ramanuja was born in the village of
    Perumbudur, about twenty-five miles west of Madras. His father was
    Kesava Somayaji and his mother was Kantimathi, a very pious and
    virtuous lady. Ramanuja's Tamil name was Ilaya Perumal. Quite early
    in life, Ramanuja lost his father. Then he came to Kancheepuram to
    prosecute his study of the Vedas under one Yadavaprakasha, a teacher
    of Advaita philosophy.

    Ramanuja was a very brilliant student. Yadavaprakasha's
    interpretations of Vedic texts were not quite up to his satisfaction.
    Ramanuja pointed out many mistakes in the exposition of his master.
    Sometimes he gave his own interpretations which were much liked by
    all the co-students. This made Yadavaprakasha very jealous of
    Ramanuja.

    Yadavaprakasha made a plan to take away the life of Ramanuja. He
    arranged for Ramanuja and his cousin Govinda Bhatta--a fellow student-
    -a pilgrimage to Varanasi. Govinda Bhatta, being a favourite student
    of Yadavaprakasha, came to know of the latter's plan while they were
    travelling. He at once apprised Ramanuja of the danger and helped him
    to escape. By the grace of God, Ramanuja escaped with the help of a
    hunter and his wife whom he accidentally met on the way.
    About the end of the tenth century, the Visishtadvaita system of
    philosophy was well established in Southern India and the followers
    of this creed were in charge of important Vaishnavite temples at
    Kancheepuram, Srirangam, Tirupathi and other important places. The
    head of the important Vaishnavite institution was Yamunacharya, a
    great sage and profound scholar; and he was also the head of the Mutt
    at Srirangam. One of his disciples, by name Kanchipurna, was serving
    in the temple at Kancheepuram. Although a Sudra, Kanchipurna was so
    very pious and good that the people of the place had great respect
    and reverence for him. At present, there is a temple at Kancheepuram
    where Kanchipurna's image has been installed and where he is
    worshipped as a saint.

    Young Ramanuja came under Kanchipurna's influence and had such
    reverence for him that he invited him to dinner in his house.
    Ramanuja's intention was to attend on Kanchipurna and personally
    serve him at dinner and himself take meals afterwards. Unfortunately,
    Kanchipurna came to dinner when Ramanuja was not at home, and took
    his meals being served by Ramanuja's wife. When Ramanuja returned
    home, he found the house washed and his wife bathing for having
    served meals to a Sudra. This irritated Ramanuja very much and turned
    him against his wife who was an orthodox lady of a different social
    ideal. After a few incidents of this nature, Ramanuja abandoned the
    life of a householder and became a Sannyasin.

    About this time, Yamunacharya being very old was on the look-out for
    a young person of good ability and character to take his place as
    head of the Mutt at Srirangam. He had already heard of Ramanuja
    through his disciples and made up his mind to instal Ramanuja in his
    place. He now sent for Ramanuja. By the time Ramanuja reached
    Srirangam, Yamunacharya was dead; and Ramanuja saw his body being
    taken by his followers to the cremation ground outside the village.
    Ramanuja followed them to the cremation ground. There he was informed
    that Yamunacharya, before his death, had left instructions that he
    had three wishes which Ramanuja was to be requested to fulfil, viz.,
    that a Visishtadvaita Bhashya should be written for the Brahma Sutras
    of Vyasa which hitherto had been taught orally to the disciples of
    the Visishtadvaita philosophy and that the names of Parasara, the
    author of Vishnu Purana, and saint Sadagopa should be perpetuated.
    Ramanuja was deeply touched, and in the cremation ground itself,
    before the dead body of Yamunacharya, he made a solemn promise that,
    God willing, he would fulfil all the three wishes of Yamunacharya.
    Ramanuja lived for 120 years, and in the course of his long life,
    fully redeemed his promise by fulfilling all the three wishes of
    Yamunacharya.

    After the death of Yamuna, his disciples at Srirangam and other
    places wanted Ramanuja to take Yamuna's place as the head of the Mutt
    at Srirangam. This was also the expressed wish of Yamuna.
    Accordingly, Ramanuja took his place and was duly installed with all
    the attendant ceremonies and celebrations as the head of the
    Visishtadvaita Mutt at Srirangam.

    Ramanuja then proceeded to Thirukottiyur to take initiation from
    Nambi for Japa of the sacred Mantra of eight letters Om Namo
    Narayanaya. Somehow, Nambi was not willing to initiate Ramanuja
    easily. He made Ramanuja travel all the way from Srirangam to Madurai
    nearly eighteen times before he made up his mind to initiate him, and
    that too, only after exacting solemn promises of secrecy. Then Nambi
    duly initiated Ramanuja and said: "Ramanuja! Keep this Mantra a
    secret. This Mantra is a powerful one. Those who repeat this Mantra
    will attain salvation. Give it only to a worthy disciple previously
    tried". But Ramanuja had a very large heart. He was extremely
    compassionate and his love for humanity was unbounded. He wanted that
    every man should enjoy the eternal bliss of Lord Narayana. He
    realised that the Mantra was very powerful. He immediately called all
    people, irrespective of caste and creed, to assemble before the
    temple. He stood on top of the tower above the front gate of the
    temple, and shouted out the sacred Mantra to all of them at the top
    of his voice. Nambi, his Guru, came to know of this. He became
    furious. Ramanuja said: "O my beloved Guru! Please prescribe a
    suitable punishment for my wrong action". Ramanuja said: "I will
    gladly suffer the tortures of hell myself if millions of people could
    get salvation by hearing the Mantra through me". Nambi was very much
    pleased with Ramanuja and found out that he had a very large heart
    full of compassion. He embraced Ramanuja and blessed him. Having thus
    equipped himself with the necessary qualifications, Ramanuja
    succeeded Yamuna.


    By this time, Ramanuja's fame had spread far and wide. He became a
    good controversialist. Then he wrote his commentary on the Brahma
    Sutras known as the Sri Bhashya. The Visishtadvaita system is an
    ancient one. It was expounded b
  • This is a very nice article

    Lot of finer points are missing - few things incorrect - but overall
    it is a nice article

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    > Young Ramanuja came under Kanchipurna's influence and had such
    > reverence for him that he invited him to dinner in his house.
    > Ramanuja's intention was to attend on Kanchipurna and personally
    > serve him at dinner and himself take meals afterwards. Unfortunately,
    > Kanchipurna came to dinner when Ramanuja was not at home, and took
    > his meals being served by Ramanuja's wife. When Ramanuja returned
    > home, he found the house washed and his wife bathing for having
    > served meals to a Sudra.
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    I forgot the tamil name of this saint kanchipurna.
    In vaishnavism there is a concept called "sesham". Sesham means left
    over. Sesham of guru is considered sacred. Ramanuja actually intended
    to eat the left overs of his guru and his wife could not bear this.
    That is why she cleansed the house. This irritated ramanuja most and
    he gave 2 more chances for her. When both chances were exhaused,
    Ramanuja renounced family life and became a sannyasin

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  • Dear Bala subramaniyan

    Very nice to read your informations on Lord Ramanujacharya, a Very prominenet exponent, reformist of very high magnitude. Thanks a lot.

    G.S.Krishnan
  • > The Chola king about this time was Kulothunga I and he was a staunch
    > Saivite. He ordered Ramanuja to subscribe to his faith in Siva and
    > acknowledge Siva as the Supreme Lord.
    > The monarch refused to hear them and had their eyes put out.
    > The two unfortunate people started for Srirangam--their native
    place.
    > ======================
    > DEAR BALU AND GOKUL,
    >
    > LOOKING FOR PRIMARY SOURCE FOR THIS EPISODE. PLS ENLIGHTEN.

    > REGARDS/ SPS

    Kambar belongs to Kulothunga period, right? If Kulothunga was so
    unsecular, how come the master piece like 'Ramayanam' was possible by
    Kambar? Correct me if I am wrong.
  • allah enbaar siila pergal
    aranari enbaar sila pergal
    vallaan para mandalathey vaazhum thandhai enbaar
    sollaal viLangaa nirvaanam ennum sila per solvaargal
    ellaam ippadi pala pesum edho oru porul irukkirathey...

    idhey dhaan satish...

    nee annamaacharya padam paathirundhaa theriyum.... annamacharya
    before becoming vaishanavite was saivite....

    venkatachalapathy aanda poi kumtukinu irukka sollo venkatachalapathy
    nagarjun oda moonu pattai viboodhiya alekkaa thiruppi naamamaa
    pottuduvaaru....

    padathula paakka sollo, summa music oda superaa irukkum....

    adhu kanakka edho kulothunga chozhanum aagichcho ennavo!!! yaarukku
    theryum sollu !!!

    ellaam onnu dhaanbaa.. vishnu saguna brahmam.. sivan nirguna
    brahmam....kulothunganukku dhideernnu purinjudho ennavo....

    or ramayanam ready panna sollo mattum ramar villai vuttu
    kulothunganai merteerpaaru nnu nenikkaren...

    andha gaandula dhaan kulothungan ambikapathi kku spot vaichittaan....
    story line paatheella.... enna link oda pogudhu..!!!
  • A point to note on Ramanujar...

    Being a reformist, he could have tried to uproot some of the social evils at that time.. I am really not accepting the case, that just because kulothunga I was a shaivite that he went around discriminating against ramanujar..

    The contradiction is really showing if he was such a staunch saivite, he would not allowed Ramayanam to be written by the asthana pular..

    Reformists were never tolerated and hence could be the only reason why Kulothunga I could have been forced to act against Ramanujar.

    Likewise there is another story that chettiars were prosecuted by the cholas and they vowed to act and live in kings for all generations. This is one reason, why you find huge palatial houses in chettinad areas. Again, Cholas were heavily dependent on commerce for their empire building activities and have even gone against Cadaram and sri vijaya just to protect their maritime and trading activities. This is also contradicting..

    Can learned people help us identify the root of this story also.
  • Dear Bala
    that was a very informative read...but as SPS has pointed out are there any documentary evidence that Kulothunga chased Ramanuja away
    My understanding is Kulothunga brought him back to Srirangam....

    Diwakar will be better person to enlighten us as this is the background of his Thirumalai Thirudan...(divya soori saritham)

    Ramanujarai naadu kadathiyathal Choal Kirumi Kandu aval vamsathukku mutrupulli vaithikaran....(acharya vaibhava manjari)

    Both cross referenced from Diwakars book

    It then means
    Adhirajendra(son of Virarajendra) deported Ramanujar and died of Laryngeal cancer his dynasty came to an end and it was the Chola Vengi Prince kulothunga who succeeds him and brings Udaiyavar back to Chola kingdom with all the mariyathai

    Any discussions

    Diwa please throw some light...

    For those who havent read Thirumalai Thirudan its a must read.....a historical novel in the calibres of kalki,akilan,sandilyan etc...

    SPS unga must read list perisayitte poguthu
    Vengaiyin Mainthan Akilan
    Kanchikathiravan
    now Thirumalai Thirudan
  • Some information on Sri Ramanuja

    1. Sriperumbudur, Melkote and Srirangam are the three important places related to Ramanuja, the images of Ramanuja in the first two places were installed when Ramanuja was alive. The Sri Ramanuja image at Tirumalai is unique, here one can see Sri Ramanuja with 'gnyana mudra'(the sign of a teacher); usually, Sri Ramanuja's image always present him in the 'anjali mudra' (offering worship, both hands together in obeisance). It is said that Sri Ramanuja there is considered an Acharya to Lord Srinivasa.

    2. Ramanuja recovered the utsava murthi of Melkote (Sampath kumar) which was taken away sometime back by Delhi sultan king. There is a story of how he recovered the idol, the sultan accepted the wish of Ramanujar to return back the idol but asked Ramanujar to chose the correct idol from a large collection of idols which were looted. Ramanuja found the correct idol by calling it by the name "Selva pillai" and the idol he was looking for moved to Ramanuja. When he was chased by the Sultan's soldiers for getting back the idol for the Sultan's daughter, Sri Ramanujar had to take refuge in a Harijan's house and then he got back to Melkote (Thiru Narayanapuram). For that reason, Harijan's are allowed to the temple. Sri Ramanuja was a great reformist, he called them as 'Thirukulathor' and he initiated many to the Sri Vaishnava fold.

    3. Sri Ramanujar's plan to re-organise the Puri temple regulations based on Pancaratra Agamam was not accepted and he had to return back to Srirangam.

    4. Similiarly his attempts to re-organise the Divya desams in Kerala also failed and he was resued by Namperumal. The Divya desams in Kerala are not following the Sri sampradayam of Sri Ramanujar. All the temples of Kerala are sung by Swami Nammalwar and one temple by Sri Kulasekara Alwar. Its said that the idol of Swami Nammalwar from Azhwar Thirunagari was taken to Kerala for safety during Muslim invasions.

    5. As per the Sri Vaishnava belief, the first image of Sri Ramanujar was given to Sri Madurakavi alwar by Swami Nammalwar as the future archarya who will spread the Sri Vaishnavam, centuries before Sri Ramanujar's birth, the idol is still in the Azhwar Thirunagari(Thirukkurugoor)(birth place of Swami Nammalwar).

    6. Sri Ramanuja's maternal uncle Tirumalai Nambi lived in Tirumala serving Lord Srinivasa. Tirumalai Nambi was a disciple of Yamunarcharya (Alavandar), he gave disclosures on Ramayanam to Sri Ramanuja at Thirupathi. Sri Ramanuja firmly asserted the temple at Tirumalai as that of Vishnu. As per Sri Ramanuja's wish his disciple Anathaalwan with his wife came to Tirumalai and prepared and maintained Nandavanam for devoting garlands to God.

    7. Sri Ramanuja was initiated to Sri Vaishnavam by Sri Periya Nambi at the Ramar temple, Madurandagam.

    8. Sri Ramanuja coverted more people from different faiths to Sri Vaishnavam, he even had to convert his cousin Govinda Bhatta from Saivism. Latter Govinda Bhatta was called Embar.

    9. Sri Ramanuja gave equal importance to both tamil hymns sung by alwars and to the vedas and made tamil hymns a mandatory in all Vishnu temples.
  • >
    > 7. Sri Ramanuja was initiated to Sri Vaishnavam by Sri Periya
    Nambi at the Ramar temple, Madurandagam.
    >
    in eri kaathta raamar temple the branding iron of changu and chakram
    used on ramanuja is still there



    > His body is embomed and worshipped in Srirangam temple .. Udayavar
    > Sannidhi..
    >

    is that true?I thought it was a rumour


    venketesh
  • >
    > > His body is embomed and worshipped in Srirangam temple .. Udayavar
    > > Sannidhi..
    > is that true?I thought it was a rumour
    > venketesh

    Yes it is..There is a seperate sannidhi in Sriranga where the body is
    preserved. Not sure whether public can see it, because its kept in
    some kind of nilavarai..once a year they take it out, redo the
    preservings and do poojai and replace the body back in place. Thats
    what I have heard.

    In Hinduism, dead body, sudukadu are not auspicious. visiting such
    place is theetu...how come this is an exception? Is there any other
    temple where such things happen? Can anyone throw light on this?
  • Gokul knows better about this.

    As Satish said, yes it is true. The Samathi is kept outside the limits of temple some nine hundred years ago. Even now the vaishnavites makes it sure that this visit to Ramanuja sannadhi is last before leaving.
    Dhivakar
  • All,

    Strangely, we dont follow the actual teachings and reformings of Ramanujar, but only worship him as a god..looks like as a society we are giving more to tokenism than to actually follow the footsteps.. no wonder we have been under alien rule for the last 700 years.

    Sorry for putting it blunt :(((
  • Hi nanda

    sure we cant follow all the teachings of somebody however great who
    lived 7 centuries or more before us. times have chnged.

    socially speaking I feel the equality among sects of society that
    ramanuja visualised is better off now than before.

    that was a time when a bigger chunk of one's time and energy was
    devoted to religion. that percentage has come down drastically.
    but we do have other benefits of materialism.

    I can visit kailash or trincomalee that the thevaram trio could not.

    ramanuja would have been treated better if he was living now. so would
    have been appar. they would not have been persecuted for their
    beleifs.

    so you give some and take some. you cant blame your times for
    everything
  • Good thread.

    >>Strangely, we dont follow the actual teachings and reformings of
    >>Ramanujar

    Nanda,

    Just yesterday, Suganya, Venkatesh and myself met at Venkats house
    and were discussing many a things. St.Thomas thread was discussed
    and in the light of it, we all agreed on one point. Christianity
    came it India much earlier than any other country in the world (as
    per the belief/proof that st.Thomas visited India). Like wise Islam
    also came to India during Prophet mohammeds lifetime itself -
    Cheraman Perumal III. Still compared to other countries, these two
    religions are minorities in India and cant shake even a bit of
    Hinduism.
    You know why - India has produced more spirutual leaders than the
    whole world compared. Sri Chandrasekharendrar has said, the
    greatness of Hinduism is, for every century a mahan is being born -
    or rather avatharam..Common people are not fascinated by teachings,
    but fascinated by the leader himself. The charisma is what keeps
    Hinduism intact. How many of us knows the teachings of Ramana or
    Aurobindo or the Mother...but offlate I see the mothers photo
    atleast with one of ten people. No one know what she taught. Hope
    this answeres your point.


    SPS, you are always class apart. no one can match you in proving or
    disproving things with evidence. Let it be RRC's painting or
    Ramanujar....simply great.

    >>ramanuja would have been treated better if he was living now. so
    >>would
    >>have been appar. they would not have been persecuted for their
    >>beleifs

    Venkatesh, koncham overa illa. GOod that they are not in this era.
    Otherwise they would have been branded saffron brigade or Pro BJP
    and would be been sidelined by the so called secularists.. :)

    >>It is STRONGLY Believed that Sri Ramanujar is in Yoga Samadhi ...
    not
    >>considered dead

    SPS,
    Very good point. Never knew this. Remember Aurobindo's writing in
    Synthesis of Yoga - Samadhi is the epitome of meditation when the
    body looses its conscious. Sometimes it happens that the conscious
    will never return to the body which is Yoga Samadhi and the body
    will still be alive, but coma like. nothing can be done. So the
    custom came to break the kapalam, the top portion of the head with
    coconut so that the spirit can leave the body. For normal people the
    spirit leaves the body through chest(?) but for yogis it will leave
    only through the kapalam. This is called kapala motcham.

    Ramanujar's shining skull visible - can be that the kapalam was
    broken similarly...so that the skin is not visible but the inner
    skull is ....just thinking aloud.

    On the meeting front - Talked with chandra and shankaran...both are
    attending.
  • Hi Satish,

    Does this sound like the failure of the leader or the yogi in not been able to communicate and get his views accepted and followed.

    Looks like our yogis and mahans failed to imbibe their teachings.. Ramanujar treated harijans as equals, Raghavendrar did the same, many people before and after them have done the same, but did the caste system change??

    Or is it a collective failure that we are not able to assimilate and accept the core teachings, but are able to godify a person and believe he will do all our silly requests and prayers.

    I guess this is still found in all religions inclusive..
  • Hi Satish,

    I agree with your view points

    Nanda

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