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Few years back when Dr.T.Satyamurthi was in Bhubaneswar Mr.Pradhan archealogist discovered two chola coins (11th centurey) at ancient port site Manikpatna near Puri District on chilka .Dr.T.satyamurthu also published an aritcle on chola coin during that period.
For your information since 1019 from Rajendra cholans period till 15th century lot of evidents are discoverd in orissa.I am seriously running behind all the people with lot of personal difficulties to allighn the sequemces.
surpraisingly near by that area one alarnatha temple (alwar temple) also situated . still people are worshipping
By next week i am proceeding to that area for documenting with archeologist Dr.Pradhan.
I need support from our entire group members in this regards.
somebody should also compare oriya and sinhalese words. there are quite a few which are common. since the sinhales are descendants of the oriyans according to one school of thought.
As Tamil History, in particular Chola History Enthusiast, I really appreciate your efforts, Any person with high very self esteem draws and builds his morale ground from his inheritance and culture of his Society and Heritage of his ancestors. Keep it Up. with regards
Almost all the languages in India are of Sanskrit origin. Most of the words given here are from sanskrit. Tamil and Sankrit alone are considered to be full grown languages where as all others are derived. But after Sangam period, I think Tamil too derived many of its words from Sanskrit. But I have heard one learned person say that even sangam tamil has sanskrit words.
So no surprise all indian languages have some interlinking thread.
I remember reading somewhere that the proportion of sanskrit (vadamozhi) words in sangam tamil was much less than later versions. The percentage of sanskrit words was shown to be increasing as time passed, thus implying that tamil and sanskrit were, at some time, completely separate.
Tamil has Nothing to do with Sanskrit. However as a result of migration of some learned people form northern india especially Buddhist/ Jain Monks in to Southern India during and Post pallava times . Very mild mixing of Sanskrit in the form of Manipravalam took place and that also Failed to Sustain for Long time.
You are correct Venkat. All the languages in the world surely has a common thread. Kanchi Maha periyavar chandrasekarendhra saraswathi swamigal has, at many a times quoted examples which link many languages to Sanskrit. Sanskrit is a language which goes by syllables or sound rather than alphabets and a clear cut examples of the origin of many english, latin and many other languages from Sanskrit has been told by him. Details available in 'deivathin kural'
GSK is right. But Manipravaalam is still later part of development especially in 12th century to 16th century. I have got some old books on this. The desciples of Ramanuja and Umapathi Sivam have contributed more on this front. Even that time also Tamil ruled the roast - Kamba Ramayanam and Periya Puraanam
Prof.V.M. Gnanprakasam in his book 'Thamizhaka NunkalaikaL' mentions that even Sanscrit was corrected and refined by a Tamil from Yazhppaanam around 3000 years back. Anybody read this book? They can comment.
For more details on this Topic.Kindly refer to the Famous Book titled as Tamil ELAKKIA VARALARU by Munaivar Varadharajan. sakithiya Academy, New Delhi.
If so, then Oriya do not have any resemblence to tamil. It has resemblence to Sanskrit. The initial thread was comparing Oriya words with tamil words. So your views states that Oriya has derived words from Sanskrit and not Tamil, as mentioned by Mr.Bala.
Dr Loganathan is a scholar working independently and he asserts that the Sankam Tamil is a derivative of the Sumerian language. Lots of Sumerian texts can be word to word identified with present day Tamil ( but one has to view that both the languages are about 6000 years apart .)
He also asserts that ancient Sanskrit ( language used in Rig ) is also a separate evolute of the Sumerian language.
This theory co-incides with the ancient human migration patterm.
Perhaps, Tamil and Sanskrit had common origins, but evolved separately and then met each other. They have mutually enriched each other.
> > Dr Loganathan is a scholar working independently and > he asserts that the Sankam Tamil is a derivative of > the Sumerian language.
could you get us more info for this is a remarkable achievement because The Sumerian language is generally regarded as a language isolate in linguistics because it belongs to no known language family;
A language isolate, in the absolute sense, is a natural language with no demonstrable genealogical relationship with other living languages; that is, one that has not been demonstrated to descend from an ancestor common to any other language. They are in effect language families consisting of a single language. Commonly cited examples include Basque, Ainu, Burushaski, and Korean
Sumerians invented picture-hieroglyphs that developed into later cuneiform, and theirs is the oldest known written human language. An extremely large body of hundreds of thousands of texts in the Sumerian language has survived, the great majority of these on clay tablets.
archeologists have discovered several seals inscribed with the Indus Valley script suggest a remarkably wide-ranging network of ancient trade centered around the Persian Gulf.
Lots of scholars disagreed with his theory in that group. But some of his findings are very striking though. A few people gave a modified interpretation to Sumerian texts and it gave a much better linkage to Tamil.
To agree or disagree with his theory, one needs to see with the view that both the languages are today 4000-6000 years apart and how a living language such as Tamil has grown over millennia. One can easily recognize reminiscents of Sumerian language in sangam Tamil.
while the evolution of tamil from sumerian or atleast a link is still not accepted by many experts we have much to thank the sumerians for.
our everyday lives are so much influenced by the sumerian civilisation that existed something like 6000 year ago
These inventions and innovations easily place the Sumerians among the most creative cultures in human pre-history and history.
Most authorities credit the Sumerians with the invention of the wheel, initially in the form of the potter's wheel. The new concept quickly led to wheeled vehicles and mill wheels. The Sumerians' cuneiform writing system is the oldest we have evidence of pre-dating Egyptian hieroglyphics The Sumerians were among the first formal astronomers, correctly formulating a heliocentric view of the solar system, to which they assigned 5 planets (all that can be seen with the naked eye).
They developed the first known codified legal and administrative systems, complete with courts, jails, and government records.
most importantly they invented and developed arithmetic using several different number systems including a system with base 6. This sexagesimal system became the standard number system in Sumer and Babylonia. Using this sexagesimal system they invented the clock with its 60 seconds, 60 minutes, and 12 hours, and the 12 month calendar which is still in use.