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  • I did not want to choose anyone for any role! Still,
    Ramya would be fine for Nandhini & Karthik cud hv
    suited Vallavaryaian Vandhiyath thEvan! The only
    problem is that both r looking a bit old now!!!
    karthik's twinkling charm resembles VV's character..

    Anyway, Ramachanran Mahadevan wants me to step in for
    VAnathi. I do not have a copy of PS with me now; but i
    am sure i remember Kalki citing a culvert (stone
    inscription)in one of the chapters (close to 'VAnathi
    sabatham chapter?) about his reasons for including
    VAnathi; she did not ascend the throne (as per her
    vow) BUT she did beget the great empire builder
    (Rajendira Chozhan), as per the astologer's
    predictions. This astrologer's incident (with a
    crocodile and all that!) is certainly Kalki's
    interesting blend of fiction with history.

    Let us analyse characters, incidents & narrative style
    of Kalki in our posts. That will make this
    interesting.
    Thanks.
    P Rajeswaran
  • Dear All

    Check this website on Ponniyin selvan it is nice .Worth visiting.

    http://ponniyinselv.users3.50megs.com/index.html

    Kundavai and Vandiyadevan in Palayarai....
  • Srithar,
    You have mentioned only Female charecter's love in each of
    the case either beauty or diginity plays a major role.
    Even in the case of Manthagini, we all know that Sundara
    Cholan was the most handsome person during that period and
    being a Deaf & dum Manthagini's love towards him is to certain
    extent I would call as selfish.

    But "Senthan Amuthan's love towards Poonkuzhali is abosolutely a
    great one and divine one. We can realise this from the
    conversation in which Senthan Amuthan tried to express his
    love towards her.

    Eswaran
  • Hi all!
    It's nice to know about the trip.But I can't join.I can't even move
    an inch from my place this year.Anyway wish you success.(Because only
    if it's successful it will continue next year and I may join then)

    This is a Deepavali Special
    I posted some pictures from PS-I.
    Find out the exact situation!!
    (Why it's deepavali special?-Because I just had some leisure hours)

    -Im.Lakshmi
  • bye
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  • Hi,

    I am one of the new members to this group. I have read 4-5 kalki's
    novel esp. PS, Parthiban Kanvu, Sivagamiyin Sabadam, alaiosi & a few
    short stories. I shuld say that once u start reading these u never
    feel like putting it down. I read PS for the first time when i was in
    my 10th & even now once every few month i feel like reading it over &
    over again.
  • Hi friends,

    I am the latest member of the group of Ponniyinselvan fans.
    I attended the meeting at Marina beach on 26th Jan.It is four or five
    years since i read PS the last time. Now i have started reading it
    again. May be enjoying is the correct word instead of reading.I have
    enjoyed reading repeatedly Sivakamiyin sabadham, Parthipan kanavu
    and Alai Osai.I am glad i have joined the group.

    Looking forward to get acquainted with you all through this post!

    Thanking you,

    V.Malathi
  • Rajaraja's famous copper plate inscription records the construction
    of the Buddhist Vihara at Nagapattinam, a major Chola port. This
    Vihara, known as the Chudamani Vihara, was constructed around AD
    1006, the same year as that of the bright supernova in the
    constellation of Lupus. The Sailendra king, Sri
    Maravijayottungavarman constructed the Vihara with the assent and
    cooperation of Rajaraja.

    For further details, http://tifrc1.tifr.res.in/~akr/crab_webtifr.html

    So did not Chodamani Viharam exist before Raja Raja came to power?


    Pochchu, yellaam pochchu...poonguzhali & sendhan amudhan did not take
    Arulmozhi to Chudamani Viharam, he was not treated by Buddhist monks,
    nor were there any puzzle regarding what happened to Arulmozhi after
    he started off from Sri Lanka....
  • Aiyo...krupa, spare me this terrible fate- and also this terrible
    sirippu...:-)

    Manikandan- welcome, welcome. Feel free to share other historical details
    you come across (particularly with reference to PS). What you wrote was very
    interesting (especially about the Sindh route). Latha- great input- gave me
    food for thought...


    Pavithra.
  • Note: forwarded message attached.
  • Hello everybody
    This is a new entry,
    Glad to meet all of you.
    My favourite character in Ponniyil Selvan is Periya
    PalzuvEttaiyaraiyar.
  • Dear friends!
    I thinking of writing some of the facts mentioned about ILANGAI in PS. Some
    of the facts are real details and some others are not-correct (to my
    knowledge) in someway.
    I can write one fact per day so that our friends will not get bored.
    So....... shall I start with the real facts and the present status? or the
    contradicting facts?
    I m waiting for your comments....... May be by personal mail to
    aks_vijay@hotmail.com / open mail to PS group.
    anpudan,
    Vijayalayan
  • Hi all

    i am pothy from delhi


    thanks to all the members in this group i missed the
    book during my school days. now i read it fully by
    online. what a g8 novel i never ever read such story.
    i hope no one can imagine like AMarar Kalki.

    how karikalan dead?

    any body explain?

    still i am in very suspence about his death?

    Big Palu not kill him.

    nandhini aslo not kill him

    vanthiya Devan also not kill him

    then he got suicide?
  • Hi
    welcome to the new faces..we have had quite a few new respondeants....

    Ram...Its a pleasure to remind the moderator that we need to delete the original messages due to webspace difficulties...

    Its nice to see quite a lot of projects starting off ...but may we exucute them one by one...

    PS website...I understand we have to wait till Raja finds a system from Krupa and then make progress on development...

    Krupa whats happening to the dynamic conversion of PS(without font download)

    That was a wonderful debreif Poo..Just one question did Big Temple's alleged bad luck streak start from then or before.....

    Its saddening to see what they do to our heritage in the name of mordenisation...those who were in thanjavur in the 80s and 90s will know that the wall mural paintings were scrapped off for decoration...they were around the velipraharam near all the lingams...

    Even the walking path was removed and destroyed...

    A Trivia.....
    1. In Periyakoil just in front of the praharam is a brass nandhi a small one near Hundi.If you place your thumb and index finger on the two horns and looked between your fingers and the horns you ll see the lingam however crowded the room is....try that next time

    Trivia 2
    You might have seen people closing one ear of the same nandhi and whispering on the other...thats just a beleif all their prayers will reach kailayam and siva without being stopped and questioned by the nandhi

    Gokul
    There is mention in PS that Parakesari and Rajakesari were very good kings in the same chapter they recount the greatness of the Chola kings Sibi Manuneedhicholan,,nalankili ,nedunkilli,karikalan etc.

    I havent forgotton the answers of the PS Quiz will be out soon been travelling to the states and canada

    Nothing more for now
  • Like PS varalaaru dedicated for some activities......... shall we open another account called KUSUMBU to have to fight with each other. I really like the way you people hint each other and it is so different from what we ILANGAI Tamils do.
    Sense of humour is necessary in whatever u do and where-ever u go.
    Vijayalayan
  • Krupa,

    Mahanae, paarthiyaa enna sollitaanga 'Maraththadi' paththi. This is
    exactly what I was afraid of.

    Kamal,

    I dont know if you visited 'Maraththadi' recently. Pls. take a look
    before spouting such things.

    Others: Maraththadi is a place where you can express your self
    creatively. And we try to create a genial atmosphere (not a KUSUMBU
    madam.)

    The posts that came to Maraththadi in the last couple of days:

    1. A discussion on Maalan's article 'Kaanaamal pOna kanal' -
    Thisaigal
    E-zine.

    2. An exchange on introducing usage of Tamil in mails and chats to
    other Tamils. In this case in Riyadh.

    3. Manjal Yaanaikal - puthu kavithai by L.A.Ram and some responses

    4. NRI status -oru kavithai by Abul Kalaam Azad and some responses.

    I would appreciate it if people could verify what they are talking
    about. Once again, Maraththadi is not a Kusumbu/Vambu madam.

    Ram, Pavithra ithellaam yennanae kaekka maatingala?

    anpudan,
    Mathy

    P.S: I have not got the papers yet. I have noted down the volunteers
    names. Waiting for the papers before alloting roles.



    > Vijayalayan,
    >
    > Adharkuthaane 'maraththadi' group irukku. Ellaam namma
    > makkalthaan. Ange ilaippaaralaame...
    >
    > Thanks
    > Kamal
  • Hi Mathy,

    I didn't mean that Maraththadi is Kusumbu/Vambu madam
    or in that similar meaning.

    I am visiting maraththadi everyday and enjoying
    reading the messages. I cannot post any message since
    i don't have tamil fonts access in my office
    environment. In PS group also, i have posted one or
    two messages in tamil when i find free time at my
    home. That is the reason i am being a silent member in
    maraththadi.

    I am getting my stress releived while reading the
    messages in maraththadi and i like the way people are
    writing. I meant in that sense only. Nothing else.

    If my words represent maraththadi as vambu madam,
    please excuse me.
  • --- In ponniyinselvan@yahoogroups.com, "K.S.Vijayalayan"
    wrote:
    > Like PS varalaaru dedicated for some activities......... shall we
    open another account called KUSUMBU to have to fight with each other.
    I really like the way you people hint each other and it is so
    different from what we ILANGAI Tamils do.
    > Sense of humour is necessary in whatever u do and where-ever u go.
    > Vijayalayan


    His majesty respectful Vijayaalaya Chozha...

    without knowing the consequences, you have left your mouth (vaayai
    vittutteenga) about your "KUSUMBU" group proposal. You know what is
    going to happen to you? We will pull you also in this discussion and
    comb your leg (kaalai vaari viduvome). Then your "maanam" fly in a
    ship (kappalla parakkum, not in air). So, be careful.

    At 80 years of age, you should be careful. Don't get caught into
    these type of mess.


    indiya devan,
    krupa
  • --- In ponniyinselvan@yahoogroups.com, Kamalakkannan Adhitha
    karikalan wrote:
    I cannot post any message since
    > i don't have tamil fonts access in my office
    > environment. In PS group also, i have posted one or
    > two messages in tamil when i find free time at my
    > home. That is the reason i am being a silent member in
    > maraththadi.

    btw, you can use eKalappai, also developed by one of our members
    (well, past member). It is really easy to install.... comes with
    less than 1 MB.

    (ayyyao, appadi muraikkadheenga... chumma tamaasu)

    > I am getting my stress releived while reading the
    > messages in maraththadi and i like the way people are
    > writing. I meant in that sense only. Nothing else.

    ahaa... logic...logic..

    Statement 1: you like the way people are writing.

    Statement 2: you don't write to maraththadi.

    Inference: you don't like what you write.

    conclusion: krupa-vukku naeram sari illai.

    escaping...
    krupa


    > If my words represent maraththadi as vambu madam,
    > please excuse me.
    >
    > Thanks
    > Kamal
    >
    >
    > --- mathy1028 wrote:
    > > Krupa,
    > >
    > > Mahanae, paarthiyaa enna sollitaanga 'Maraththadi'
    > > paththi. This is
    > > exactly what I was afraid of.
    > >
    > > Kamal,
    > >
    > > I dont know if you visited 'Maraththadi' recently.
    > > Pls. take a look
    > > before spouting such things.
    > >
    > > Others: Maraththadi is a place where you can express
    > > your self
    > > creatively. And we try to create a genial atmosphere
    > > (not a KUSUMBU
    > > madam.)
    > >
    > > The posts that came to Maraththadi in the last
    > > couple of days:
    > >
    > > 1. A discussion on Maalan's article 'Kaanaamal pOna
    > > kanal' -
    > > Thisaigal
    > > E-zine.
    > >
    > > 2. An exchange on introducing usage of Tamil in
    > > mails and chats to
    > > other Tamils. In this case in Riyadh.
    > >
    > > 3. Manjal Yaanaikal - puthu kavithai by L.A.Ram and
    > > some responses
    > >
    > > 4. NRI status -oru kavithai by Abul Kalaam Azad and
    > > some responses.
    > >
    > > I would appreciate it if people could verify what
    > > they are talking
    > > about. Once again, Maraththadi is not a
    > > Kusumbu/Vambu madam.
    > >
    > > Ram, Pavithra ithellaam yennanae kaekka maatingala?
    > >
    > > anpudan,
    > > Mathy
    > >
    > > P.S: I have not got the papers yet. I have noted
    > > down the volunteers
    > > names. Waiting for the papers before alloting roles.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > > Vijayalayan,
    > > >
    > > > Adharkuthaane 'maraththadi' group irukku. Ellaam
    > > namma
    > > > makkalthaan. Ange ilaippaaralaame...
    > > >
    > > > Thanks
    > > > Kamal
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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  • Hi,
    It's interesting to know about history,events,and all what is going
    on.But something i wanted to know,"What do we learn from the history?
    All the members,it would be nice if you shared your thoughts about
    how PS or History has affected you or what was its impact..something
    a very positive story that makes history unbeleivable.
    Some small events would have been inspirations.I wish to hear some of
    your views.What are the "dos And donts" we learn from PS & history?
  • --- In ponniyinselvan@yahoogroups.com, "Lakshmi"
    wrote:
    > Hi,
    > It's interesting to know about history,events,and all what is going
    > on.But something i wanted to know,"What do we learn from the
    history?

    ellaam periyavanga samaachchaaram..

    > All the members,it would be nice if you shared your thoughts about
    > how PS or History has affected you or what was its
    impact..something
    > like that.


    "alla the members"na, dhairiyama naanum yedhaavadhu solluvane...
    (pinna, vaera velai vetti edhuvum illaiyae yenakku).

    Rather than "learning" anything from history, there are some people
    (i.e.) vetti pasanga, who enjoy history...

    It is like seeing our ancestors in a particular form...it is like
    speaking with them by seeing/hearing what they have done and
    appreciating that.

    its like visiting our own school after 25 years... like revisiting
    our school after 30 years... there is something left in them, in
    which we can identify our own self.

    College/school premesis and stories are of 25/50 years old. Imagine
    the same thing for places, stories which are more than 100, 1000
    years! We are identifying our ancestors, and thus ourselves. Maybe
    sort of "thoandralin pugazhodu thondruga"?


    hee..hee.. sorry.. naan konjam kirukkuthaan. kandukkadheenga..
    chennai-la orey veyyil.. adhaan ippadi.

    krupa
  • Dear all


    Should we be called

    Ponniyin Selvan Yahoo group or

    Yahoo Group: Ponniyin Selvan

    Or Just
    Ponniyin Selvan e-Group

    ( In the future we we grow out of Yahoo and have our own space and domain
  • Guys,
    Looks like we might have arrived a bit early to take the guided tour
    of "Temples built by Rajaraja I". So lets continue to read some more about
    Rajaraja I as by Dr.SRB...

    Rajaraja I organised a highly bureaucratic system of administration which
    aimed at central stability and local autonomy. His revenue administration
    in particular was noteworthy. By his 17th regnal year, he had completed a
    land survey of his empire; land as small in extent as 1/52,428,800,000 of a
    veli was measured and assessed to revenue; there was an elaborate cadre of
    revenue officers such as accountants, ledger-keepers, issuers of royal
    orders and executors of royal decrees, at all levels - village, district
    and central. It is of interest to note that some decades later in England,
    William I (the conqueror) organized the land-survey was recorded in the
    Domesday Book. Rajaraja's survey was as elaborate as that of William I, as
    evidenced by the detailed descriptions of the lands, boundaries, systems of
    irrigation, revenues to be collected and revenue-exemptions in respect of
    lands endowed to Rajarajesvaram and other temples in his vast empire.

    This is amazing isnt it. I never knew before about existence of such
    a precise land survey being taken during that period. Well, that's it for
    today guys... will see u guys tomorrow...
  • Dear All

    I thought the PS website plans were put on hold for the moment till Raja finalised his touches...

    But I just stumbled into one of the templates in

    www.ponniyinselvan.net.

    I am quite surprised and upset because it is done in a half baked way because half the links are not working...

    second it relates to discussions in april but with missing links...

    It says Ponniyinselvan yahoo groups I thought we all agreed on ponniyinselvan E group

    If we place ourselves in the public domain before we are completely ready we are only going to deter people from visiting us later...



    whats happening guys? Ram? Raja? Gokul? Kamal?Pavithra?Krupa?

    Please let us know
  • I received a private email from one among your group.

    Its about Cholzas before Vijayalaya.

    Where were they?

    Were they around?

    Yes, they were around.

    The wife of the Pandya king NinRa Siir Nedumaran,
    was Mangaiyarkkarasi. She invited Saint ThiruGnyana
    Sambandhar to rid Pandya country of Jainism and
    uphold Saivism.

    She was a Cholza princess.

    During the time of Appar, he found the Siva temple of
    URaiyuur being concealed by a Jain paLLi.

    He started a fast and a satyagrha.

    The Cholza ruling in URiayuur had a dream and then
    he saw Appar, and got rid of the Jains and reopened
    the temple.

    These are instances from ThEvaram times.
  • Krupps - naan eppo thungiye aganum or I will have no time to pack
    and miss my flight tomorrow.
    so ciao everyone

    Latha - Phew! Glad to have found a fellow feminist.

    An IITian on the web has this to say about the translation:

    The translation is Great! The **Mann Vaasanai** (nativity) has been
    retained by using tamil words as forms of address. The translation
    is so good that one gets a feeling of traversing the Kollidam and
    Ilangai. It is indeed rare to see translations that can keep up to
    the authenticity of the original. Although I have not read the
    complete original, the parts that I read, I thought were superbly
    translated. Hats off to Mr. Karthik Narayanan for opening the doors
    of the Chola empire to English readers.

    I am planning to buy the books for my husband who can't read Tamil.

    I mean afterall he should know whwre I ahd vanished to in the three
    months it took me to read the book.
  • I am mailing after nearly 8 months.
    Regarding turning point,I believe that PS is much too
    large and monumental a novel to be trivialised by
    means of a "TURNING POINT".Aren't turning point for
    novels, which have limited number of characters,have a
    few twists and turns.Surely a novel as phenomenal as
    PS, with as many lively colourful characters,ow so
    many twists ,turns need not be constrained to on
    single "thiruppu munai".
    But one were to still insist ,I would agree with
    MrSrivatsan, PP overhearing Ravidasan &co 's plans can
    be called a turning point.That is what later helps
    VT(isn't it Vanthiya thevan and not VD)to escape and
    prove his innocence.Though PP does not prevent AK's
    death,he does help clear the confusion & suspicion in
    the minds of others regards VT
  • I am mailing after nearly 8 months.
    Regarding turning point,I believe that PS is much too
    large and monumental a novel to be trivialised by
    means of a "TURNING POINT".Aren't turning point for
    novels, which have limited number of characters,have a
    few twists and turns.Surely a novel as phenomenal as
    PS, with as many lively colourful characters,ow so
    many twists ,turns need not be constrained to on
    single "thiruppu munai".
    But one were to still insist ,I would agree with
    MrSrivatsan, PP overhearing Ravidasan &co 's plans can
    be called a turning point.That is what later helps
    VT(isn't it Vanthiya thevan and not VD)to escape and
    prove his innocence.Though PP does not prevent AK's
    death,he does help clear the confusion & suspicion in
    the minds of others regards VT
  • Dear All,
    Will someone please tell me what is happening to the "Moondram
    Yaththirai"
    Love and regards
    Sundaram.
  • CHULAMANIPANMA VIHARE OF NAGAPATTINAM
    (A Brief Study)

    With the beginning of the tenth century the Cholas with their capital
    in Thanjavur in Tamilnadu, emerged as a powerful ruling dynasty after
    a long spell in partial obscurity in the political scene of South
    India.

    In the year A.D.985 king Rajaraja Chola-1(A.D.985-1014) ascended the
    throne as the next successor of the Chola kingdom. He gradually
    conquered the neighbouring and far lying territories within the
    Indian continent forming a great Chola empire.

    He laid a firm foundation to this empire by the wits of his political
    ingenuity and well streamlined administrative system backed by a
    powerful army and naval power which made it to grow steadily into an
    overseas empire.

    During this period in South-East Asia there existed the mighty Sri
    Vijayan empire ruled by a royal dynasty named the Sailendras. This
    kingdom of Sri Vijaya was located at the lower part of Sumatra in
    Indonesia, with its capital in the present Palembang.

    At the time of Rajaraja on the Chola throne, king Chulamanivarman
    (A.D. 998-1008) was ruling the Sri Vijaya empire, which encompassed
    the whole of Sumatra.

    In the same period in Malaysia there existed the famed kingdom of
    Kadaram covering the present Kedah and Perak states adjoining the sea
    in the north-west coast of the peninsular Malaysia.

    However during the period of Rajaraja Chola, the kingdom of Kadarem
    too came under the sway of the Sri Vijaya empire of Sumatra, with
    king Chulamanivarman being the overlord of this kingdom.

    The trade of Tamilnadu with Sumatra and peninsular Malaysia increased
    during the reign of Rajaraja Chola. Many Traders flocked to these
    countries from the Chola country and found settlements and establised
    units if their trading guilds.

    The Traders from Kadarem and Sri Vijaya too crossed the seas to the
    Chola country with their commodities of trade. The iron ore and the
    teakwood from Kadarem being two of the commodioties were known as
    Kadaraththu Irumbu and Kidaravan in the Chola country.

    The good trade relations thus established paved way for better
    diplomatic understanding between these two countries.

    The Traders from Kadarem mainly Buddhists by religion sought the
    assistance of their overlord king Chulamanivarman of Sri Vijaya who
    too was a Buddhist, to construct a Buddhist Vihare at Nagapattinam in
    the Chola country.

    The Nagapattinam was the seaport city of the Cholas and was well
    known to the traders of South-East Asia and China, where traders from
    eighteen different countries traded in their commodities.

    Rajaraja Chola on the request of Chulamanivarman granted land at
    Shythiriya Sihamani Valanadu at Nagapattinam to build a Buddhist
    temple under the name of "Chulamanipanma Vihare".

    In the year A.D.1006 a village called Aanaimangalam closer to this
    site was surveyed and donated to upkeep this vihare from its revenues
    which were exempted from taxes.

    In the following years, in A.D.1008 Rajaraja Chola confirmed on
    copper plates the earlier grants made by him to the "Chulamanipanma
    Vihare" at Nagapattinam and exempted same from taxes..

    While the vihare was still under construction king Chulamanivarman of
    Sri Vijaya died in A.D.1008, and his successor the son
    Maravijayotungavarman (A.D.1008-1020) completed the construction of
    this temple, which was also known as the Rajrajaperumpalli.

    In the year A.D.1014 Rararaja Chola died after twenty nine years of
    rule and was succeeded by his son Rajendra Chola-1 (A.D.1012-1044) on
    the throne of the Chola empire.

    After the ascension of Rajendra Chola, king Maravijayotungavarman of
    Sri Vijaya requested him to reconfirm the grants made earlier by his
    father to the "Chulamanipanma Vihare" built at Nagapattinam.

    This request was granted and Thuvavuran Annukan the agent of the
    ruler of Kadarem arranged the record of the history relating to the
    construction of the vihare, and the grant of the Anaimangalam village
    by Rajaraja which was written on copper plates by one Thillaiyali.

    It is evident there has also been another Buddhist Temple built at
    Nagapattinam at the request of Maravijayotungavarman during the rule
    of Rajendra Chola-1. Whether that too was named after the king of Sri
    Vijaya the Maravijayotungavarman is not known, but it has been called
    as Rajendra Chola Perumpalli.

    At Sri Vijaya with the demise of Maravijayotungavarman in A.D.1020
    his son Sangirama Vijayotungavarman (A.D.1020-1022) succeeded on the
    throne. During his rule however the good hostilities that existed
    between these two empires broke, probabely due to some sort of
    interference or hinderence to the flourishing Chola trade which would
    have sparked off the anger of the Cholas.

    The strain in the Chola-Sri Vijaya relationship caused Rajendra -1 to
    send a big naval expedition with a large fleet of ships to South-East
    Asia in the year A.D.1022.

    The Cholas defeated Sri Vijaya, Kadarem, and many other kingdoms in
    the present Malaysia, and in Sumatra of Indonesia, and it appears
    eventually the Cholas handed back the kingdoms to the respective
    rulers on they accepting the authority and agreeing to pay tributes.

    However over a period of time gradually the good relations between
    the Chola country and Kadarem was re-established. During the rule of
    Kulothunga Chola - 1 (A.D.1071-1120) the king of Kadarem through his
    envoys Rajavidyadara Sri Samandan and Abimanothunga Samanthan in the
    year A.D.1091 requested him to reconfirm on copper plates the earlier
    grants made to the Buddhist temples Rajendra Chola Perumpalli and
    Rajaraja Perumpalli alias Sailendra Chulamanivarma Vihare built by
    his predecessors at Nagapattinam in Shythiriya Shihamani Valanadu of
    the Chola country.

    This request was granted by Kulothunga Chola, and in the year
    A.D.1090 the officers Rajavallaba Pallavaraiyan and Rajendrasinga
    Muvendavelan arranged confirmation of same on copper plates.

    Towards this period the seaport city of Nagapattinam was renamed as
    Cholakulavalli Pattinam after one of Kulothunga's consorts, and
    Shythiriya Shihamani valanadu as Keyamanikka valanadu.

    These temples no longer exist today. However among the Bronze Buddha
    Statues excavated in this area by the Archaeological Department. two
    of them have the following inscribed words on their pedestal
    confirming the location of the Chulamanipanma Vihare and that they
    were kept enshrined in them.

    (1) "......Chola Perumpalli Alvaar......" (seated Buddha)
    (2) "......Chola Perumpalli Nayakar....." (standing Buddha)

    The exact version of the inscription found on the Item (2) above
    is as follows.

    "(This is) the alvar for a festival procession of the temple of
    Akkasalai-perumpalli in Rajendra Chola-perumpalli. This alvar was
    set by Nalan-gunakara-udaiyar of Chirutavur.

    Let it be auspicious (This alvar called) Akkasalaikal-nayakar is for
    all the Padinen-vishayam"

    Source: A Bronze Buddha Image of N
  • Few lines from the book, very good...



    The facts cited above will amply testify to the
    sea-faring and adventurous character of the early
    people of Tamilakam. It was because of the nautical
    resources of their people, that the Tamil kings had
    to face no difficulty in creating a navy for
    offensive and defensive warfare. The sculptor found
    excellent granite lying about him, and he shaped it
    into a solid pillar of strength.
    We are not sure whether the Pandya kings (whose
    territory was approximately equivalent to modern
    Madura and Tinnevelley districts, with part of
    Trichinopoly and sometimes also Travancore) ever
    maintained any fighting squadron. Extreme paucity of
    materials hinders any inference on this point. But
    that the Ceras and the Colas came to recognise the
    importance of naval forces, even before the beginning
    of the Christian era, there is enough evidence to
    prove, The Tamil poet, Madalan, refers to an unnamed
    predecessor of the famous Cenkuttuvan as "he who
    conquered the Kadambu in the middle of the sea."(1)
    According to early Tamil authors, Cenkuttuvan, who
    was contemporary more or less to Nedum-celiyan, the
    Pandya, and Nedmudi Killi Cola, the grandson of
    Karikala, as well as to Gajabahu I of Ceylon, led an
    expedition to the Gangetic valley, and in that
    expedition"the journey from the Cera kingdom to
    Orissa was performed by sea." At the end of one
    poem, Cenkuttuvan is praised as the king "who with
    his army crossed the sea and reached the banks of the
    Ganges.(2) Another achievement of the Cera navy under
    Cenkuttuvan was the victory it won over the Yavanas
    at sea. The Padirruppattu relates that the victory
    was so complete and overwhelming that Cenkuttuvan was
    able to capture his enemies, and punish them by tying
    their hands behind their back, pouring oil or ghee on
    their heads.(3)There are other allusions to the naval
    strength of Cenkuttuvan, and, as Dr. Krishnaswami
    lyanger points out, the one compliment the poets
    never miss an opportunity of bestowing upon the Red-cera is that the "Chera
    fleet sailed on the waters of that littoral with
    sense of dominion and security."(1) Dr. Aiyangar has
    also sought to prove that the Cera navy under
    Cenkuttuvan and his father made a strenuous attempt
    to check piracy on the western or Konkan coast.(2)
    After Cenkuttuvan, the power of the Cera kingdom
    appears to have been eclipsed by that of the Pandyas,
    and an almost impenetrable veil is cast over Cera
    naval operations till we come down to the palmy days
    that in the twelfth year of the reign of Rajaraja I,
    the Cera fleet fought with the Cola navy in the
    'Roads of Kandalur,' but was routed. The Cera navy
    was no doubt weakened by this defeat. But it survived
    the shock, and in the time of Rajadhiraja (1042-52
    A.D.) it again fought its Cola rival at
    Kandalur-salai, "on the never-decreasing ocean." This
    second venture was attended with no better fate than
    the first. The Cera fleet was again defeated and
    probably destroyed.(3)
    It was under the Colas that the naval power of
    the Tamil land attained its culminating point. Very
    early in their history, the Cola kings appear to have
    organised a fleet of ships, which enabled their
    troops to cross over the ocean and invade the
    neighbouring island of Ceylon. According to the Mahavamsa, there were in the
    first century immediately preceding Christ as many as
    six Tamil usurpers from the country of 'Soli'
    (Cola).(1) The first historical or semihistorical
    Cola monarch Karikala is represented by the early
    Tamil poets as having invaded Ceylon and carried off
    three thousand captives to work on the embankments of
    the Kaveri river, which he constructed.(2) In the
    fourth decade of the tenth century, Parantaka I
    repeated the naval expedition to Ceylon and probably
    won some advantage over its king. It has already been
    stated that Rajaraja I defeated the Cera navy at
    Kandalur. Ukkal (Visnu temple) Tamil inscription,
    belonging to the 29th year of Rajarajadeva, credits
    this monarch with having subjugated not merely
    Ceylon, but "twelve thousand ancient islands of the
    sea".(3) According to Dr. Krishnaswami Aiyangar, the
    islands referred to "are apparently the islands along
    the coast in the Arabian sea".(4)
    Emboldened by these naval triumphs, the Cola
    fleet under Rajendra Gangaikondacola pushed out on
    84 of Cannapatna in the Bangalore District, it
    appears that by the thirteenth year of his reign,
    Rajendra equipped and floated a grand armada, which
    sailing "across the middle of the sea lashing with
    waves", conquered extensive districts in the Far
    East. These over-sea conquests of Rajendra have been
    recorded in many of his inscriptions. For instance,
    an epigraph inscribed on the Rajarajesvara Temple at
    Tanjavur and belonging to the nineteenth year of his
    reign, states that he "despatched many ships in the
    midst of the rolling sea" against
    Samgramavijayottungavarman, the king of Kadaram,
    captured him with all his fighting elephants, and
    took away from him his huge treasures, He then took
    possession of Sri Vijaya in the midst of which was
    set the 'vidyadhara-torana', the triumphal arch with
    its great doors set with jewels and trap-doors;
    Pannai, 'watered by the river'; Malai-yur of ancient
    fame having
  • Dear Rajendra Cholan

    That was excellent
  • Lot of information!!!

    ****************
    that in the twelfth year of the reign of Rajaraja I,
    the Cera fleet fought with the Cola navy in the
    'Roads of Kandalur,' but was routed. The Cera navy
    was no doubt weakened by this defeat.
    *****************

    It is not twelfth year of Rajaraja. Kandalur saalai war happened during his
    second year of the reign.
  • Can anybody tell me where is Kandalu saalai and whats is present name?
    I think it hold great importance. against whom was this war fought?
    Satish


    > It is not twelfth year of Rajaraja. Kandalur saalai war happened
    >during his second year of the reign.
  • Tha great Raja Raja Chola, defeated Baskara Ravivarma in this battle and also destroyed his naval fleet at Kandalur. It was because one of his envoys to Udaigai, asking for 'Kappam' was arrested by Baskara Ravivarman. This will enrage RajaRaja Cholan to wage the war agaist Cheras.

    There was a school in Kandalur to teach usage of Arms and that was destroyd by Cholas. This seems Raja Rajas first war after he came to throne, before defeating Amarabhujanga Pandyan.

    I am looking out for a book titled " Vennilavu Penarasi"..This speak in depth about Kandalur Salai. I someone come to know, please let me know, where I can get one.
  • Sir,

    I am happy to know that you approved my membership
    but, i don't want any mails to be sent in huge
    volumes.

    Please clear the mails only, I like to be a member

    Thank you
  • Dear all
    Very interesting things happening...Congrats team

    And ofcourse we are upto 500 in membership

    Keep the goodwork going

    Sri
  • Dear Friend
    Nice Website but with a error in information
    the big Temple was constructed by Rajaraja Chola and not Rajendra as mentioned in your site
    http://narasimhan.com/SK/Culture/culture_history/culture_hist_chola.htm
  • I saw some discusion on violence is not solution to violence during Gujarat riot.

    I just ask every body if some body beaten u what will u do

    Will u follow Jesus

    or will u follow vivekananda

    I like to follow Vivekananda so that he will not beat me again

    I know Violent is not solution

    But I should be strong enough to prove that I am stronger so that he won't attack me.

    I witnessed Gujarat Riots as was not sleeping for 3 days

    We were out of home to protect our family during the riots

    We gathered with other people with stick and small iron pieces.

    Will u keep mum some body is coming to attack

    Ask the people who lost their father and brother who were burn alive.

    It will take some time for them to realise the feelings of others
  • when iam studying many historical novels i observed that the term thevar after most of the kings name my doubt is ehwther the chola chere and pandya kings belonged to this group.And another thing, being a warrior class people they will be kshatriyas.whether thevar belongs to kshtriya group or not
    thanking you,

    srinath.s
  • Hello everybody,

    I am new to this group.

    Hope to learn more from you all.

    Indhirani.
  • The below are the excepts from the book ��Naval warfare in Ancient India��
    by Prithwis Chandra Chakravarti





    The facts cited above will amply testify to the sea-faring and adventurous character of the earlypeople of Tamilakam. It was because of the nautical resources of their people, that the Tamil kings had to face no difficulty in creating a navy for offensive and defensive warfare. The sculptor found excellent granite lying about him, and he shaped it into a solid pillar of strength.



    We are not sure whether the Pandya kings (whose territory was approximately equivalent to modern Madura and Tinnevelley districts, with part of

    Trichinopoly and sometimes also Travancore) ever maintained any fighting squadron. Extreme paucity of materials hinders any inference on this point. But that the Ceras and the Colas came to recognise the importance of naval forces, even before the beginning of the Christian era, there is enough evidence to prove, The Tamil poet, Madalan, refers to an unnamed predecessor of the famous Cenkuttuvan as "he who conquered the Kadambu in the middle of the sea."(1) According to early Tamil authors, Cenkuttuvan, who was contemporary more or less to Nedum-celiyan, the Pandya, and Nedmudi Killi Cola, the grandson of Karikala, as well as to Gajabahu I of Ceylon, led an expedition to the Gangetic valley, and in that expedition"the journey from the Cera kingdom to Orissa was performed by sea." At the end of one poem, Cenkuttuvan is praised as the king "who with his army crossed the sea and reached the banks of the Ganges.(2) Another
    achievement of the Cera navy under Cenkuttuvan was the victory it won over the Yavanas at sea. The Padirruppattu relates that the victory was so complete and overwhelming that Cenkuttuvan was able to capture his enemies, and punish them by tying their hands behind their back, pouring oil or ghee on their heads.(3)There are other allusions to the naval strength of Cenkuttuvan, and, as Dr. Krishnaswami lyanger points out, the one compliment the poets never miss an opportunity of bestowing upon the Red-cera is that the "Chera fleet sailed on the waters of that littoral with sense of dominion and security."(1) Dr. Aiyangar has also sought to prove that the Cera navy under Cenkuttuvan and his father made a strenuous attempt to check piracy on the western or Konkan coast.(2)






    It was under the Colas that the naval power of the Tamil land attained its culminating point. Very early in their history, the Cola kings appear to have organised a fleet of ships, which enabled their troops to cross over the ocean and invade the neighbouring island of Ceylon. According to the Mahavamsa, there were in the first century immediately preceding Christ as many as six Tamil usurpers from the country of 'Soli' (Cola).(1) The first historical or semihistorical Cola monarch Karikala is represented by the early Tamil poets as having invaded Ceylon and carried off three thousand captives to work on the embankments of the Kaveri river, which he constructed.(2) In the fourth decade of the tenth century, Parantaka I repeated the naval expedition to Ceylon and probably won some advantage over its king. It has already been stated that Rajaraja I defeated the Cera navy at Kandalur. Ukkal (Visnu temple) Tamil inscription,
    belonging to the 29th year of Rajarajadeva, credits

    this monarch with having subjugated not merely Ceylon, but "twelve thousand ancient islands of the sea".(3) According to Dr. Krishnaswami Aiyangar, the islands referred to "are apparently the islands along the coast in the Arabian sea".(4)



    the triumphal arch with its great doors set with jewels and trap-doors; Pannai, 'watered by the river'; Malai-yur of ancient fame having for its ramparts many hills; Mayirudingam, surrounded by the deep sea as a moat;

    Ilanga-sogam, undaunted in fierce battles; Mappappalam, surrounded by deep waters let in for defence; Mevilimbangam with well defended fortress walls; Valaippanduru, possessing both cultivated land and jungle; Talaittakkolam, praised by greatmen versed in the sciences; Madammalingam, firm in great and fierce battles; Ilamuridesam, defended by a strong fleet of ships; Manakkavaram, whose flower-gardens resembled the girdle of the nymph of the southern ocean; and Kadaram, defended in great strength by the sea which touches it.



    The identification of place-names mentioned in the above list is beset with great difficulties, and, moreover, may not be quite relevent in the present paper. We would only refer to a valuable contribution on the subject which appeared in the pages of th
  • --- In ponniyinselvan@yahoogroups.com, Rajendhra Cholan
    wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > The below are the excepts from the book "Naval warfare in Ancient
    India"
    > by Prithwis Chandra Chakravarti
    >
    >
    > Thanks for reproducing History - Rajendra Chola ?!

    Dear RjC,

    The Press Conference, we were talking about on ancient Tamils, is
    getting delayed because of summer vacation and non-availability
    important contacts. Shall put it back on track.

    Welcome New Members ..

    Pls go through files / photos section when find time.

    For tempting queries on Sandilyan, Nandhini, which is great PS or SS
    and others, pls use search facility ..
    Most of our enthusiastic members have discussed a lot on these
    matters...

    Pls visit www.varalaaru.com. We have a very good team among
    ourselves specialising on certain Historical features.

    Best wishes for being with us and adding more charm to the group.

    anbudan, sps
  • Hi ,

    Any one help me to see some places like pazhaiyarai, nartha malai...



    Please tell me from thanjavur. How to reach those places..

    I am very musch interested to see those places...

    Please help me in this
  • Hi

    1. There is a table of all the chola kings with their
    capitals in one of KNS books but it is only for later
    Gangaikondacholapuram are the ones mentioned.
    Puhar/Kaveripoompattinam may have been a capital
    during the early cholas period but not sure.

    2. An illustrated book on 'Vanthiyathevan's journey'
    is a fantastic idea. It would make many more people to
    take these routes and get them interested in our
    heritage.

    3. "Aa Northern style Sivanadiar - typical Kashmiri -
    (present day Bajrang Dal type - with Soolam - Harahara
    Mahadev type!). Siruthondar happily sacrifices him to
    Lord Siva!?" - Rather than caricature him as a bajrang
    dal type, I think the sivanadiyar will be close to the
    Kalamugargal mentioned by Kalki in both PS and SS.
    Infact, mahendravarman appears as one in most of the
    SS as one. And ofcourse, the cult of veera saivas and
    veera vaishnavas existed in this period of huge
    bhakthi revivalism and thus he may have been a veera
    saiva also (like the one Alwarkadiyan picks up his
    fights with!).

    I am just repeating what Kalki wrote in his mudivurai.
    He mentions that there are no records as to the way AK
    was murdered. In fact he cites a seppedu or kalvettu
    which just mentions the death and says something in
    the lines of 'sooriyan marrainthathu..ulagai irul
    soolnthathu'. There is no concrete evidence as to the
    site of murder or the time of murder. Is there any
    progress from the days of Kalki on this front (other
    than more speculations)?. Of course, we know who did
    it (ravidasan & co) but how did they do it?.

    Muthu Prakash R


    http://www.jeysriprakash.com
    http://sibipranav.blogspot.com

    "'I can't explain myself, I'm afraid, Sir,' said Alice, 'because I'm not myself you see.'"
    -Alice in Alice In Wonderland
  • Huh..now we are mixing religion and science..Evolution is something
    that is based on the observance of the physical world around us and
    infering that this is what has happened. And it fits beautifully with
    the Geological view and other corresponding scientific views. Thats
    why it is hard to discredit it although the Christian Creationists
    have tried their best for the past 150 years. Anyway, whether you
    believe what vallalar or siddhargal says is upto you. As for me, I
    dont have a problem living with the evolutionary theory and praying to
    the beauty of Thillai Nataraja. It seamlessly intertwine with each other.

    But, before Mr. Sridhar points out, WTH this has to do with Ponniyin
    Selvan?

    Muthu Prakash R

    http://sibipranav.blogspot.com
  • sir,

    Ps kku sambandhame illainnu therinjum neenga edhukku sir naan penaatharadhukkellaam badhil pottukinu irukkeenga????
  • chathurvethi mangkalam kidaiththaal EOU start seyvaraam Dhiwakar.

    ayyoo avaru lollu thaangkalay

    dhiwarakarai naadu kadaththinaal will that count as a EOU?
    venketesh
  • Note: forwarded message attached.
  • Dear friends

    I joined the group recently.....
    I want to get the Wallpaper from the Photos in the original resolution.
    While right clicking and copying is thumbnail only.
    How to copy it in the full resolution?
    There is a button Copy but it is saying to select and copy.
    Let me know how to copy the whole file in original resolution.
    Pls help me.....
    Thanks in advance.
  • Dear All,

    My daughter is studying in Chinmaya International
    Residential School, Coimbatore, which is one of the
    best schools in India. They have a heritage club but
    with very little activity.

    I spoke to them about PS Group and the recent trip.
    The Vice-Principal Mrs.Jayanthi Thiagarajan is highly
    impressed.

    She wants to know whether any one from the group can
    come and address the children on Chola History (though
    they do not have it in their syllabus and hence not
    useful for "exam"), she wants children to get exposed
    to our rich heritage. If a group can come and address
    on different issues, it is all the more welcome.

    The target audience would be 6th, 7th 8th standard
    children. They should feel history is interesting and
    Tamil History has so much to know - is the goal.

    Mr.SB, Venkatesh, Swetha, Ram, Lavanya, Kamal... what
    do you say? She wants this session sometime in the
    last week of October.

    With regards,
    Uma

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