I did not want to choose anyone for any role! Still, Ramya would be fine for Nandhini & Karthik cud hv suited Vallavaryaian Vandhiyath thEvan! The only problem is that both r looking a bit old now!!! karthik's twinkling charm resembles VV's character..
Anyway, Ramachanran Mahadevan wants me to step in for VAnathi. I do not have a copy of PS with me now; but i am sure i remember Kalki citing a culvert (stone inscription)in one of the chapters (close to 'VAnathi sabatham chapter?) about his reasons for including VAnathi; she did not ascend the throne (as per her vow) BUT she did beget the great empire builder (Rajendira Chozhan), as per the astologer's predictions. This astrologer's incident (with a crocodile and all that!) is certainly Kalki's interesting blend of fiction with history.
Let us analyse characters, incidents & narrative style of Kalki in our posts. That will make this interesting. Thanks. P Rajeswaran
Srithar, You have mentioned only Female charecter's love in each of the case either beauty or diginity plays a major role. Even in the case of Manthagini, we all know that Sundara Cholan was the most handsome person during that period and being a Deaf & dum Manthagini's love towards him is to certain extent I would call as selfish.
But "Senthan Amuthan's love towards Poonkuzhali is abosolutely a great one and divine one. We can realise this from the conversation in which Senthan Amuthan tried to express his love towards her.
Hi all! It's nice to know about the trip.But I can't join.I can't even move an inch from my place this year.Anyway wish you success.(Because only if it's successful it will continue next year and I may join then)
This is a Deepavali Special I posted some pictures from PS-I. Find out the exact situation!! (Why it's deepavali special?-Because I just had some leisure hours)
I am one of the new members to this group. I have read 4-5 kalki's novel esp. PS, Parthiban Kanvu, Sivagamiyin Sabadam, alaiosi & a few short stories. I shuld say that once u start reading these u never feel like putting it down. I read PS for the first time when i was in my 10th & even now once every few month i feel like reading it over & over again.
I am the latest member of the group of Ponniyinselvan fans. I attended the meeting at Marina beach on 26th Jan.It is four or five years since i read PS the last time. Now i have started reading it again. May be enjoying is the correct word instead of reading.I have enjoyed reading repeatedly Sivakamiyin sabadham, Parthipan kanavu and Alai Osai.I am glad i have joined the group.
Looking forward to get acquainted with you all through this post!
Rajaraja's famous copper plate inscription records the construction of the Buddhist Vihara at Nagapattinam, a major Chola port. This Vihara, known as the Chudamani Vihara, was constructed around AD 1006, the same year as that of the bright supernova in the constellation of Lupus. The Sailendra king, Sri Maravijayottungavarman constructed the Vihara with the assent and cooperation of Rajaraja.
So did not Chodamani Viharam exist before Raja Raja came to power?
Pochchu, yellaam pochchu...poonguzhali & sendhan amudhan did not take Arulmozhi to Chudamani Viharam, he was not treated by Buddhist monks, nor were there any puzzle regarding what happened to Arulmozhi after he started off from Sri Lanka....
Aiyo...krupa, spare me this terrible fate- and also this terrible sirippu...:-)
Manikandan- welcome, welcome. Feel free to share other historical details you come across (particularly with reference to PS). What you wrote was very interesting (especially about the Sindh route). Latha- great input- gave me food for thought...
Dear friends! I thinking of writing some of the facts mentioned about ILANGAI in PS. Some of the facts are real details and some others are not-correct (to my knowledge) in someway. I can write one fact per day so that our friends will not get bored. So....... shall I start with the real facts and the present status? or the contradicting facts? I m waiting for your comments....... May be by personal mail to [email protected] / open mail to PS group. anpudan, Vijayalayan
thanks to all the members in this group i missed the book during my school days. now i read it fully by online. what a g8 novel i never ever read such story. i hope no one can imagine like AMarar Kalki.
Hi welcome to the new faces..we have had quite a few new respondeants....
Ram...Its a pleasure to remind the moderator that we need to delete the original messages due to webspace difficulties...
Its nice to see quite a lot of projects starting off ...but may we exucute them one by one...
PS website...I understand we have to wait till Raja finds a system from Krupa and then make progress on development...
Krupa whats happening to the dynamic conversion of PS(without font download)
That was a wonderful debreif Poo..Just one question did Big Temple's alleged bad luck streak start from then or before.....
Its saddening to see what they do to our heritage in the name of mordenisation...those who were in thanjavur in the 80s and 90s will know that the wall mural paintings were scrapped off for decoration...they were around the velipraharam near all the lingams...
Even the walking path was removed and destroyed...
A Trivia..... 1. In Periyakoil just in front of the praharam is a brass nandhi a small one near Hundi.If you place your thumb and index finger on the two horns and looked between your fingers and the horns you ll see the lingam however crowded the room is....try that next time
Trivia 2 You might have seen people closing one ear of the same nandhi and whispering on the other...thats just a beleif all their prayers will reach kailayam and siva without being stopped and questioned by the nandhi
Gokul There is mention in PS that Parakesari and Rajakesari were very good kings in the same chapter they recount the greatness of the Chola kings Sibi Manuneedhicholan,,nalankili ,nedunkilli,karikalan etc.
I havent forgotton the answers of the PS Quiz will be out soon been travelling to the states and canada
Like PS varalaaru dedicated for some activities......... shall we open another account called KUSUMBU to have to fight with each other. I really like the way you people hint each other and it is so different from what we ILANGAI Tamils do. Sense of humour is necessary in whatever u do and where-ever u go. Vijayalayan
I didn't mean that Maraththadi is Kusumbu/Vambu madam or in that similar meaning.
I am visiting maraththadi everyday and enjoying reading the messages. I cannot post any message since i don't have tamil fonts access in my office environment. In PS group also, i have posted one or two messages in tamil when i find free time at my home. That is the reason i am being a silent member in maraththadi.
I am getting my stress releived while reading the messages in maraththadi and i like the way people are writing. I meant in that sense only. Nothing else.
If my words represent maraththadi as vambu madam, please excuse me.
Hi, It's interesting to know about history,events,and all what is going on.But something i wanted to know,"What do we learn from the history? All the members,it would be nice if you shared your thoughts about how PS or History has affected you or what was its impact..something a very positive story that makes history unbeleivable. Some small events would have been inspirations.I wish to hear some of your views.What are the "dos And donts" we learn from PS & history?
I received a private email from one among your group.
Its about Cholzas before Vijayalaya.
Where were they?
Were they around?
Yes, they were around.
The wife of the Pandya king NinRa Siir Nedumaran, was Mangaiyarkkarasi. She invited Saint ThiruGnyana Sambandhar to rid Pandya country of Jainism and uphold Saivism.
She was a Cholza princess.
During the time of Appar, he found the Siva temple of URaiyuur being concealed by a Jain paLLi.
He started a fast and a satyagrha.
The Cholza ruling in URiayuur had a dream and then he saw Appar, and got rid of the Jains and reopened the temple.
Krupps - naan eppo thungiye aganum or I will have no time to pack and miss my flight tomorrow. so ciao everyone
Latha - Phew! Glad to have found a fellow feminist.
An IITian on the web has this to say about the translation:
The translation is Great! The **Mann Vaasanai** (nativity) has been retained by using tamil words as forms of address. The translation is so good that one gets a feeling of traversing the Kollidam and Ilangai. It is indeed rare to see translations that can keep up to the authenticity of the original. Although I have not read the complete original, the parts that I read, I thought were superbly translated. Hats off to Mr. Karthik Narayanan for opening the doors of the Chola empire to English readers.
I am planning to buy the books for my husband who can't read Tamil.
I mean afterall he should know whwre I ahd vanished to in the three months it took me to read the book.
I am mailing after nearly 8 months. Regarding turning point,I believe that PS is much too large and monumental a novel to be trivialised by means of a "TURNING POINT".Aren't turning point for novels, which have limited number of characters,have a few twists and turns.Surely a novel as phenomenal as PS, with as many lively colourful characters,ow so many twists ,turns need not be constrained to on single "thiruppu munai". But one were to still insist ,I would agree with MrSrivatsan, PP overhearing Ravidasan &co 's plans can be called a turning point.That is what later helps VT(isn't it Vanthiya thevan and not VD)to escape and prove his innocence.Though PP does not prevent AK's death,he does help clear the confusion & suspicion in the minds of others regards VT
I am mailing after nearly 8 months. Regarding turning point,I believe that PS is much too large and monumental a novel to be trivialised by means of a "TURNING POINT".Aren't turning point for novels, which have limited number of characters,have a few twists and turns.Surely a novel as phenomenal as PS, with as many lively colourful characters,ow so many twists ,turns need not be constrained to on single "thiruppu munai". But one were to still insist ,I would agree with MrSrivatsan, PP overhearing Ravidasan &co 's plans can be called a turning point.That is what later helps VT(isn't it Vanthiya thevan and not VD)to escape and prove his innocence.Though PP does not prevent AK's death,he does help clear the confusion & suspicion in the minds of others regards VT
CHULAMANIPANMA VIHARE OF NAGAPATTINAM (A Brief Study)
With the beginning of the tenth century the Cholas with their capital in Thanjavur in Tamilnadu, emerged as a powerful ruling dynasty after a long spell in partial obscurity in the political scene of South India.
In the year A.D.985 king Rajaraja Chola-1(A.D.985-1014) ascended the throne as the next successor of the Chola kingdom. He gradually conquered the neighbouring and far lying territories within the Indian continent forming a great Chola empire.
He laid a firm foundation to this empire by the wits of his political ingenuity and well streamlined administrative system backed by a powerful army and naval power which made it to grow steadily into an overseas empire.
During this period in South-East Asia there existed the mighty Sri Vijayan empire ruled by a royal dynasty named the Sailendras. This kingdom of Sri Vijaya was located at the lower part of Sumatra in Indonesia, with its capital in the present Palembang.
At the time of Rajaraja on the Chola throne, king Chulamanivarman (A.D. 998-1008) was ruling the Sri Vijaya empire, which encompassed the whole of Sumatra.
In the same period in Malaysia there existed the famed kingdom of Kadaram covering the present Kedah and Perak states adjoining the sea in the north-west coast of the peninsular Malaysia.
However during the period of Rajaraja Chola, the kingdom of Kadarem too came under the sway of the Sri Vijaya empire of Sumatra, with king Chulamanivarman being the overlord of this kingdom.
The trade of Tamilnadu with Sumatra and peninsular Malaysia increased during the reign of Rajaraja Chola. Many Traders flocked to these countries from the Chola country and found settlements and establised units if their trading guilds.
The Traders from Kadarem and Sri Vijaya too crossed the seas to the Chola country with their commodities of trade. The iron ore and the teakwood from Kadarem being two of the commodioties were known as Kadaraththu Irumbu and Kidaravan in the Chola country.
The good trade relations thus established paved way for better diplomatic understanding between these two countries.
The Traders from Kadarem mainly Buddhists by religion sought the assistance of their overlord king Chulamanivarman of Sri Vijaya who too was a Buddhist, to construct a Buddhist Vihare at Nagapattinam in the Chola country.
The Nagapattinam was the seaport city of the Cholas and was well known to the traders of South-East Asia and China, where traders from eighteen different countries traded in their commodities.
Rajaraja Chola on the request of Chulamanivarman granted land at Shythiriya Sihamani Valanadu at Nagapattinam to build a Buddhist temple under the name of "Chulamanipanma Vihare".
In the year A.D.1006 a village called Aanaimangalam closer to this site was surveyed and donated to upkeep this vihare from its revenues which were exempted from taxes.
In the following years, in A.D.1008 Rajaraja Chola confirmed on copper plates the earlier grants made by him to the "Chulamanipanma Vihare" at Nagapattinam and exempted same from taxes..
While the vihare was still under construction king Chulamanivarman of Sri Vijaya died in A.D.1008, and his successor the son Maravijayotungavarman (A.D.1008-1020) completed the construction of this temple, which was also known as the Rajrajaperumpalli.
In the year A.D.1014 Rararaja Chola died after twenty nine years of rule and was succeeded by his son Rajendra Chola-1 (A.D.1012-1044) on the throne of the Chola empire.
After the ascension of Rajendra Chola, king Maravijayotungavarman of Sri Vijaya requested him to reconfirm the grants made earlier by his father to the "Chulamanipanma Vihare" built at Nagapattinam.
This request was granted and Thuvavuran Annukan the agent of the ruler of Kadarem arranged the record of the history relating to the construction of the vihare, and the grant of the Anaimangalam village by Rajaraja which was written on copper plates by one Thillaiyali.
It is evident there has also been another Buddhist Temple built at Nagapattinam at the request of Maravijayotungavarman during the rule of Rajendra Chola-1. Whether that too was named after the king of Sri Vijaya the Maravijayotungavarman is not known, but it has been called as Rajendra Chola Perumpalli.
At Sri Vijaya with the demise of Maravijayotungavarman in A.D.1020 his son Sangirama Vijayotungavarman (A.D.1020-1022) succeeded on the throne. During his rule however the good hostilities that existed between these two empires broke, probabely due to some sort of interference or hinderence to the flourishing Chola trade which would have sparked off the anger of the Cholas.
The strain in the Chola-Sri Vijaya relationship caused Rajendra -1 to send a big naval expedition with a large fleet of ships to South-East Asia in the year A.D.1022.
The Cholas defeated Sri Vijaya, Kadarem, and many other kingdoms in the present Malaysia, and in Sumatra of Indonesia, and it appears eventually the Cholas handed back the kingdoms to the respective rulers on they accepting the authority and agreeing to pay tributes.
However over a period of time gradually the good relations between the Chola country and Kadarem was re-established. During the rule of Kulothunga Chola - 1 (A.D.1071-1120) the king of Kadarem through his envoys Rajavidyadara Sri Samandan and Abimanothunga Samanthan in the year A.D.1091 requested him to reconfirm on copper plates the earlier grants made to the Buddhist temples Rajendra Chola Perumpalli and Rajaraja Perumpalli alias Sailendra Chulamanivarma Vihare built by his predecessors at Nagapattinam in Shythiriya Shihamani Valanadu of the Chola country.
This request was granted by Kulothunga Chola, and in the year A.D.1090 the officers Rajavallaba Pallavaraiyan and Rajendrasinga Muvendavelan arranged confirmation of same on copper plates.
Towards this period the seaport city of Nagapattinam was renamed as Cholakulavalli Pattinam after one of Kulothunga's consorts, and Shythiriya Shihamani valanadu as Keyamanikka valanadu.
These temples no longer exist today. However among the Bronze Buddha Statues excavated in this area by the Archaeological Department. two of them have the following inscribed words on their pedestal confirming the location of the Chulamanipanma Vihare and that they were kept enshrined in them.
The exact version of the inscription found on the Item (2) above is as follows.
"(This is) the alvar for a festival procession of the temple of Akkasalai-perumpalli in Rajendra Chola-perumpalli. This alvar was set by Nalan-gunakara-udaiyar of Chirutavur.
Let it be auspicious (This alvar called) Akkasalaikal-nayakar is for all the Padinen-vishayam"
The facts cited above will amply testify to the sea-faring and adventurous character of the early people of Tamilakam. It was because of the nautical resources of their people, that the Tamil kings had to face no difficulty in creating a navy for offensive and defensive warfare. The sculptor found excellent granite lying about him, and he shaped it into a solid pillar of strength. We are not sure whether the Pandya kings (whose territory was approximately equivalent to modern Madura and Tinnevelley districts, with part of Trichinopoly and sometimes also Travancore) ever maintained any fighting squadron. Extreme paucity of materials hinders any inference on this point. But that the Ceras and the Colas came to recognise the importance of naval forces, even before the beginning of the Christian era, there is enough evidence to prove, The Tamil poet, Madalan, refers to an unnamed predecessor of the famous Cenkuttuvan as "he who conquered the Kadambu in the middle of the sea."(1) According to early Tamil authors, Cenkuttuvan, who was contemporary more or less to Nedum-celiyan, the Pandya, and Nedmudi Killi Cola, the grandson of Karikala, as well as to Gajabahu I of Ceylon, led an expedition to the Gangetic valley, and in that expedition"the journey from the Cera kingdom to Orissa was performed by sea." At the end of one poem, Cenkuttuvan is praised as the king "who with his army crossed the sea and reached the banks of the Ganges.(2) Another achievement of the Cera navy under Cenkuttuvan was the victory it won over the Yavanas at sea. The Padirruppattu relates that the victory was so complete and overwhelming that Cenkuttuvan was able to capture his enemies, and punish them by tying their hands behind their back, pouring oil or ghee on their heads.(3)There are other allusions to the naval strength of Cenkuttuvan, and, as Dr. Krishnaswami lyanger points out, the one compliment the poets never miss an opportunity of bestowing upon the Red-cera is that the "Chera fleet sailed on the waters of that littoral with sense of dominion and security."(1) Dr. Aiyangar has also sought to prove that the Cera navy under Cenkuttuvan and his father made a strenuous attempt to check piracy on the western or Konkan coast.(2) After Cenkuttuvan, the power of the Cera kingdom appears to have been eclipsed by that of the Pandyas, and an almost impenetrable veil is cast over Cera naval operations till we come down to the palmy days that in the twelfth year of the reign of Rajaraja I, the Cera fleet fought with the Cola navy in the 'Roads of Kandalur,' but was routed. The Cera navy was no doubt weakened by this defeat. But it survived the shock, and in the time of Rajadhiraja (1042-52 A.D.) it again fought its Cola rival at Kandalur-salai, "on the never-decreasing ocean." This second venture was attended with no better fate than the first. The Cera fleet was again defeated and probably destroyed.(3) It was under the Colas that the naval power of the Tamil land attained its culminating point. Very early in their history, the Cola kings appear to have organised a fleet of ships, which enabled their troops to cross over the ocean and invade the neighbouring island of Ceylon. According to the Mahavamsa, there were in the first century immediately preceding Christ as many as six Tamil usurpers from the country of 'Soli' (Cola).(1) The first historical or semihistorical Cola monarch Karikala is represented by the early Tamil poets as having invaded Ceylon and carried off three thousand captives to work on the embankments of the Kaveri river, which he constructed.(2) In the fourth decade of the tenth century, Parantaka I repeated the naval expedition to Ceylon and probably won some advantage over its king. It has already been stated that Rajaraja I defeated the Cera navy at Kandalur. Ukkal (Visnu temple) Tamil inscription, belonging to the 29th year of Rajarajadeva, credits this monarch with having subjugated not merely Ceylon, but "twelve thousand ancient islands of the sea".(3) According to Dr. Krishnaswami Aiyangar, the islands referred to "are apparently the islands along the coast in the Arabian sea".(4) Emboldened by these naval triumphs, the Cola fleet under Rajendra Gangaikondacola pushed out on 84 of Cannapatna in the Bangalore District, it appears that by the thirteenth year of his reign, Rajendra equipped and floated a grand armada, which sailing "across the middle of the sea lashing with waves", conquered extensive districts in the Far East. These over-sea conquests of Rajendra have been recorded in many of his inscriptions. For instance, an epigraph inscribed on the Rajarajesvara Temple at Tanjavur and belonging to the nineteenth year of his reign, states that he "despatched many ships in the midst of the rolling sea" against Samgramavijayottungavarman, the king of Kadaram, captured him with all his fighting elephants, and took away from him his huge treasures, He then took possession of Sri Vijaya in the midst of which was set the 'vidyadhara-torana', the triumphal arch with its great doors set with jewels and trap-doors; Pannai, 'watered by the river'; Malai-yur of ancient fame having
**************** that in the twelfth year of the reign of Rajaraja I, the Cera fleet fought with the Cola navy in the 'Roads of Kandalur,' but was routed. The Cera navy was no doubt weakened by this defeat. *****************
It is not twelfth year of Rajaraja. Kandalur saalai war happened during his second year of the reign.
Tha great Raja Raja Chola, defeated Baskara Ravivarma in this battle and also destroyed his naval fleet at Kandalur. It was because one of his envoys to Udaigai, asking for 'Kappam' was arrested by Baskara Ravivarman. This will enrage RajaRaja Cholan to wage the war agaist Cheras.
There was a school in Kandalur to teach usage of Arms and that was destroyd by Cholas. This seems Raja Rajas first war after he came to throne, before defeating Amarabhujanga Pandyan.
I am looking out for a book titled " Vennilavu Penarasi"..This speak in depth about Kandalur Salai. I someone come to know, please let me know, where I can get one.
when iam studying many historical novels i observed that the term thevar after most of the kings name my doubt is ehwther the chola chere and pandya kings belonged to this group.And another thing, being a warrior class people they will be kshatriyas.whether thevar belongs to kshtriya group or not thanking you,
The below are the excepts from the book ��Naval warfare in Ancient India�� by Prithwis Chandra Chakravarti
The facts cited above will amply testify to the sea-faring and adventurous character of the earlypeople of Tamilakam. It was because of the nautical resources of their people, that the Tamil kings had to face no difficulty in creating a navy for offensive and defensive warfare. The sculptor found excellent granite lying about him, and he shaped it into a solid pillar of strength.
We are not sure whether the Pandya kings (whose territory was approximately equivalent to modern Madura and Tinnevelley districts, with part of
Trichinopoly and sometimes also Travancore) ever maintained any fighting squadron. Extreme paucity of materials hinders any inference on this point. But that the Ceras and the Colas came to recognise the importance of naval forces, even before the beginning of the Christian era, there is enough evidence to prove, The Tamil poet, Madalan, refers to an unnamed predecessor of the famous Cenkuttuvan as "he who conquered the Kadambu in the middle of the sea."(1) According to early Tamil authors, Cenkuttuvan, who was contemporary more or less to Nedum-celiyan, the Pandya, and Nedmudi Killi Cola, the grandson of Karikala, as well as to Gajabahu I of Ceylon, led an expedition to the Gangetic valley, and in that expedition"the journey from the Cera kingdom to Orissa was performed by sea." At the end of one poem, Cenkuttuvan is praised as the king "who with his army crossed the sea and reached the banks of the Ganges.(2) Another achievement of the Cera navy under Cenkuttuvan was the victory it won over the Yavanas at sea. The Padirruppattu relates that the victory was so complete and overwhelming that Cenkuttuvan was able to capture his enemies, and punish them by tying their hands behind their back, pouring oil or ghee on their heads.(3)There are other allusions to the naval strength of Cenkuttuvan, and, as Dr. Krishnaswami lyanger points out, the one compliment the poets never miss an opportunity of bestowing upon the Red-cera is that the "Chera fleet sailed on the waters of that littoral with sense of dominion and security."(1) Dr. Aiyangar has also sought to prove that the Cera navy under Cenkuttuvan and his father made a strenuous attempt to check piracy on the western or Konkan coast.(2)
It was under the Colas that the naval power of the Tamil land attained its culminating point. Very early in their history, the Cola kings appear to have organised a fleet of ships, which enabled their troops to cross over the ocean and invade the neighbouring island of Ceylon. According to the Mahavamsa, there were in the first century immediately preceding Christ as many as six Tamil usurpers from the country of 'Soli' (Cola).(1) The first historical or semihistorical Cola monarch Karikala is represented by the early Tamil poets as having invaded Ceylon and carried off three thousand captives to work on the embankments of the Kaveri river, which he constructed.(2) In the fourth decade of the tenth century, Parantaka I repeated the naval expedition to Ceylon and probably won some advantage over its king. It has already been stated that Rajaraja I defeated the Cera navy at Kandalur. Ukkal (Visnu temple) Tamil inscription, belonging to the 29th year of Rajarajadeva, credits
this monarch with having subjugated not merely Ceylon, but "twelve thousand ancient islands of the sea".(3) According to Dr. Krishnaswami Aiyangar, the islands referred to "are apparently the islands along the coast in the Arabian sea".(4)
the triumphal arch with its great doors set with jewels and trap-doors; Pannai, 'watered by the river'; Malai-yur of ancient fame having for its ramparts many hills; Mayirudingam, surrounded by the deep sea as a moat;
Ilanga-sogam, undaunted in fierce battles; Mappappalam, surrounded by deep waters let in for defence; Mevilimbangam with well defended fortress walls; Valaippanduru, possessing both cultivated land and jungle; Talaittakkolam, praised by greatmen versed in the sciences; Madammalingam, firm in great and fierce battles; Ilamuridesam, defended by a strong fleet of ships; Manakkavaram, whose flower-gardens resembled the girdle of the nymph of the southern ocean; and Kadaram, defended in great strength by the sea which touches it.
The identification of place-names mentioned in the above list is beset with great difficulties, and, moreover, may not be quite relevent in the present paper. We would only refer to a valuable contribution on the subject which appeared in the pages of th
1. There is a table of all the chola kings with their capitals in one of KNS books but it is only for later Gangaikondacholapuram are the ones mentioned. Puhar/Kaveripoompattinam may have been a capital during the early cholas period but not sure.
2. An illustrated book on 'Vanthiyathevan's journey' is a fantastic idea. It would make many more people to take these routes and get them interested in our heritage.
3. "Aa Northern style Sivanadiar - typical Kashmiri - (present day Bajrang Dal type - with Soolam - Harahara Mahadev type!). Siruthondar happily sacrifices him to Lord Siva!?" - Rather than caricature him as a bajrang dal type, I think the sivanadiyar will be close to the Kalamugargal mentioned by Kalki in both PS and SS. Infact, mahendravarman appears as one in most of the SS as one. And ofcourse, the cult of veera saivas and veera vaishnavas existed in this period of huge bhakthi revivalism and thus he may have been a veera saiva also (like the one Alwarkadiyan picks up his fights with!).
I am just repeating what Kalki wrote in his mudivurai. He mentions that there are no records as to the way AK was murdered. In fact he cites a seppedu or kalvettu which just mentions the death and says something in the lines of 'sooriyan marrainthathu..ulagai irul soolnthathu'. There is no concrete evidence as to the site of murder or the time of murder. Is there any progress from the days of Kalki on this front (other than more speculations)?. Of course, we know who did it (ravidasan & co) but how did they do it?.
Huh..now we are mixing religion and science..Evolution is something that is based on the observance of the physical world around us and infering that this is what has happened. And it fits beautifully with the Geological view and other corresponding scientific views. Thats why it is hard to discredit it although the Christian Creationists have tried their best for the past 150 years. Anyway, whether you believe what vallalar or siddhargal says is upto you. As for me, I dont have a problem living with the evolutionary theory and praying to the beauty of Thillai Nataraja. It seamlessly intertwine with each other.
But, before Mr. Sridhar points out, WTH this has to do with Ponniyin Selvan?
I joined the group recently..... I want to get the Wallpaper from the Photos in the original resolution. While right clicking and copying is thumbnail only. How to copy it in the full resolution? There is a button Copy but it is saying to select and copy. Let me know how to copy the whole file in original resolution. Pls help me..... Thanks in advance.
My daughter is studying in Chinmaya International Residential School, Coimbatore, which is one of the best schools in India. They have a heritage club but with very little activity.
I spoke to them about PS Group and the recent trip. The Vice-Principal Mrs.Jayanthi Thiagarajan is highly impressed.
She wants to know whether any one from the group can come and address the children on Chola History (though they do not have it in their syllabus and hence not useful for "exam"), she wants children to get exposed to our rich heritage. If a group can come and address on different issues, it is all the more welcome.
The target audience would be 6th, 7th 8th standard children. They should feel history is interesting and Tamil History has so much to know - is the goal.
Mr.SB, Venkatesh, Swetha, Ram, Lavanya, Kamal... what do you say? She wants this session sometime in the last week of October.