SPS, Sainthood is not bieng silent witness to any crime. Sainthood is not on the ohter hand witnessing people including if people who did wrong being thrown into sunnabu kalavai and writing about it. I don't know if we know why appar did what he did and if he was a king or regular human one can reason more. If he is accorded saint status this is not acceptable no matter what the history of the punished people was.
> > Did the Cholas practice ethnic cleansing? I have not read any South > Indian Kingdom systematically destroying other cultures.
I disagree to this. Sundarapandya destroyed everything that is chola's except the temples and he in turn destroyed the his tamil empire by joining hands with muslim invaders.
> I am not saying people will forget easily, I am saying over time > people will forget. I do not imply it is easy :-) It just happens, > time mellows the memory.
People dont forget, they evolve. How can the action and reaction subside and rest. Reaction starts of as action and history repeats itself. Only thing is, the hunter becomes the hunted and vice versa.
> > > Did the Cholas practice ethnic cleansing? I have not read any South > > Indian Kingdom systematically destroying other cultures. > > I disagree to this. Sundarapandya destroyed everything that is chola's > except the temples and he in turn destroyed the his tamil empire by > joining hands with muslim invaders. > > -- > with luv & regards, > siva > > ever tried. ever failed. no matter. > try again. fail again. fail better. > -- Samuel Beckett > > Blog: sivaramsk.blogspot.com > Journal: sivaramsk.livejournal.com >
Thanks for the reference. Dr. Jayabharathis's articles and views are always interesting and illuminating.
Still, this does not point to or prove that the king and his troupe engaged in mass rape and killing of innocents and non-combatants. Even during the recent Indo-pak war, the soldiers, in general, did not torment the civilians. Mass killing of civilians, indiscriminate rape was resorted to by the muslim kings and their armies. Coversion (or death) was also used as a violent weapon. In today's time (proxy war) also, captured Gujarat fishermen were encouraged to convert to avoid punishment.
Quite often we are led to believe the macho images of our heros _ be it in films or in literature. Our authors and script writers paint such an honorable picture that we believe it to the t, so much so that we even let some of the screen persona rule us, when we studied comapny law, there is a common usage : lifting of corporate veil. We got to do similar for our heros as well , meaning leave creative writing and historic fiction on one side and learn to view historic fact seperately.
If our audience is mature enough to do this, I can post references from the mahavamsa and its accounts of relations with south india and lankan kings. Pillage of monastries included.
History is history. You should definitely post references even if it is "our own" folks who did horrible things.
And what you say hopefully we apply to the entire World. Right from King Arthur, Alexander, Biblical, Greco-Roman history etc etc.....all characters come with lots of bells and whistles. Even characters from our own Mahabharatam and Rayamayanam.
I am torn between art appreciation and humanity here. anyway this is painted in madurai - murals and is a story board. dont know how else to present - but read patiently till the end
The second picture is interesting one. The impaling instrument looks like almost a cross. There is the horizontal bar right up the top, looks like it was used to prevent the body from slipping all the way down. Or did it have some other significance? It must have had a purpose. It implies that the people then would have conducted such acts several times.
How were the death sentences usually carried out in those days? Was impaling a common phenomenon?
The first one is almost similar to the murals in many temples. But the style of second art is totally different from the first one. Whose style is this one? anybody have any idea?
The impalement (kalumaram aetruthal) was the punishment prevailed during the period when the jaina's and budhism were followed by the kings. In other era's the punishment were pAthAla siraiyil adaithal, yAnai kAlAl thalai idaruhtal, nAdu kadathuthal, etc. It remind me the RRC's kAndhalUr sAlai kaLamaruthal.
During partition times, The raiders who were supposed to be Pak army in the guise of tribals, chance upon a Christian missionary station run by nuns and spent the entire night raping and finally murdering them. This one night of mass-rape and murder changed the landscaped of Kashmir, as it allowed the Indian army and the airforce to send in reinforcements to protect the Srinagar and its airport. If I can find the link, I will post the same.
Every invading army has done the same. Let me bring up a topic which will taboo to this group. IPKF indulged in mass murder, rape and pillage towards the end of its peace-keeping process. Dhanu the assassin was supposed to be raped by the IPKF and her family was one of the victims during IPKF tenure.