Blemishless kalki
  • This is getting interesting...

    First to Mangal,
    *****You are getting totally enangled in your own yarn.All that yarn
    that you have spun takes place after UC ascends the throne. Kalki
    has dealt with the period immly preceding UC's ascension when RR
    himself is young.

    My yarn begins exactly in the period of PS.I took it further.

    ****All the manipulations and political marriage necessarily
    come later and cannot be dealt with at this stage. Do you have any
    problem in understanding that.

    Nobody manipulates from a vaccum.If RR manipulates after
    Uthama's ascendency to throne,what makes us from beleiving that he
    did not manipulate before uthamaascended throne?


    *****I get the feeling that you somehow want to show Kalki in a
    lesser light but Kalki is too good for you.

    I understand why you get such a feeling.Its because I
    compared Kalki's work with the best work ever written in any language
    (in my opinion)But it doesnt mean that i demean kalki.Its an
    acceptable form of criticism,to compare characterisations of authors
    from different eras.In my university i am taking marketing
    course.There virtually we do this everyday.We take up philip
    kotler,who is the father of marketing and tear him up every day.We
    ciriticize his Product life cycle concept like anything.

    European journal of marketing even published an article titled
    "Kotler is dead"(he is alive actually)So its normal in every field
    to compare yesterdays concepts with todays and yesterdays greats
    with todays.In arts department of my university,it will be a virtual
    warfare.Nitetzsche will be torn apart there.One guy even dubbed him
    as a metaphysician and it created such a furore.But he validated his
    claim with proof.

    Initially i thought that they were having revenge on dead
    men.But then only i realized that they are paying him a tribute by
    doing so.They will accept scholars,but wont hesitate to criticize
    their writings with very sharp words.But they have deep respect for
    these people.If you visit some tamil literary meetings you will hear
    worse comments than this.But it wont be personal,will be literary.
  • Dear Sampath

    All that one has to see is whether Kalki said anything that was at
    variance with known facts at that poin of time when he wrote PS. The
    answer is a loud NO.

    With the outline that was available scores of variants of PS can be
    written which will go down well with the available facts. Kalki has
    given one variant and a damn interesting, compelling and credible one
    at that.

    Your yarn can be subject to the same questions that you are raising
    regarding PS. Given the fact that except the outline the finer
    details are not known Kalki's conjecture is far more credible than
    yours.

    There is a huge difference between the crown prince and his brother.
    Till KK was alive RR would have had little need to manipulate as he
    was not the next in line of succession. Logically, therefore it would
    have been too early for him to master the art of manipulation at that
    stage.

    We do not have absolute facts here but it is far more credible to
    believe that the real forces behind KKs death were identified only
    later and that is when counter manipulatins started.

    UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT KALKI'S STORYLINE IS AT VARIANCE WITH KNOWN
    FACTS I HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT YOU ARE ARGUING MORE TO GARNER
    ATTENTION THAN TO MAKE ANY VALID POINT.
  • Hi Ganeshan,

    There were no known facts during that point of time.So if we want to
    compare claims with facts we cannot do so.

    We need not get into too much for that,since the RR and
    vanthiyathevan characterization by kalki is fictional.RR was
    real,vanthiyathevan was real,but their characterizations like a
    childish vanthiya thevan and a chocolate hero RR wasnt real.

    If you can show me in any page of PS that kalki has claimed that
    real vanthiyathevan was actually childish and real RR was actually a
    chocolate hero as portrayed in the novel i will accept it graciously.

    There isnt any such claim,since their characterization was a
    fictional work.

    when two people spin yarns how do you find which is the best yarn?
    There isnt anyway.Both are fiction dude.

    also there is no outline to compare my yarn with PS.I never intended
    to do so.Thats why i titled my version as yarn and not as a counter
    claim.when there is no ground for comparing how can we compare?

    Also PS could have been a manipulator even before uthamas ascendecy
    to throne.PS already won war in srilanka by then defeating the army
    of mahinda.If he is innocent he couldnt have done it.Becasue its
    difficult to win a war without manipulation(you can use the word
    strategy instead of manipulation.But the meaning is one and same)

    Also it isnt credible to believe manipulations started only after
    karikalas death secret came out.Because uthama must have killed
    karikala only after seeing that his manipulations were defeated and
    he was on the verge of losing the throne.Nobody kills without
    manipulating initially.Killing is often the last resort and not
    always the first resort.

    I gave my yarn to show that this too is a possibility.Thats
    all.Kalkis RR is also a possibility.But he has clearly branded his
    work as fictional and i too have done so.

    mangal said "UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT KALKI'S STORYLINE IS AT
    VARIANCE WITH KNOWN FACTS I HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT YOU ARE ARGUING
    MORE TO GARNER ATTENTION THAN TO MAKE ANY VALID POINT."

    cooldown mangal.No need to look anywhere to find out kalkis work was
    fictional or not.RR was real,Some characters were real,many events
    were real but rest of all is fictional.Kalki himself hasnt claimed
    that his characetrization as real.So we too need not do so.

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