Truth on caste systems ( veena )
  • Vajrasucika Upanisad of the Sama Veda:

    tarhi jatir brahmana iti cet tan na tatra jatyantara-jantusu aneka-
    jati-sambhava maharsayo bahavah santi rsyasrngo mrgah kasuikah kusat
    jambuko jambukat valmiko valmikat vyasah kaivarta-kanyayam sasa-
    prsthat gautamah vasisthah urvasyam agastyah kalase jata iti
    srutatvat etesam jatya vinapyagre jnana-pratipadita rsayo bahavah
    santi tasman na jatih brahmana iti

    "Does birth make a brahmana? No, this is also not the case. Many
    great sages have been born of other living entities. Rsyasrnga was
    born from a deer, Kausika was born from kusa grass, Jambuka was born
    from a jackal, Valmiki was born from an ant-hill, Vyasadeva was born
    from a fisherman's daughter, Gautama was born from the back of a
    rabbit, Vasistha was born from Urvasi and Agastya was born from a
    pot. Apart from these personalities, there are many other wise
    persons born from other castes who became sages. Therefore birth
    does not make a brahmana."


    In the Padma Purana, the original brahmana, Lord Brahma says:

    sac-chrotriya-kule jato akriyo naiva pujitah
    asat-kstrakule pujyo vyasa-vaibhandukay yatha
    ksatriyanam kule jato visvamitro'sti matsamah
    kesyaputro vasisthas ca anye siddha dvijatayah
    yasya tasya kule jato gunavaneva tairgunaih
    saksad brahmamayo viprah pujiyah prayatnatah

    "If one is born in a family of brahmanas who are absorbed in hearing
    divine sound, but has bad character and behavior, he is not
    worshipable as a brahmana. On the other hand, Vyasa and Vaibhandaka
    Muni were born in unclean circumstances, but they are worshipable.
    In the same way, Visvamitra Muni was born a ksatriya, but he became
    a brahmana by his qualities and activities. Vasistha was born of a
    prostitute. Many other great personalities who manifested the
    qualities of first-class brahmanas also took birth in similar humble
    circumstances, but they are also called perfect. The place where one
    takes birth is of no importance in determining whether one is a
    brahmana. Those who have the qualities of brahmanas are recognized
    everywhere as brahmanas, and those who have such qualities are
    worshipable by everyone." (Padma Purana, Srsthi-kanda 43.321,322,
    Gautamiya-samskarana)

    The caste of Satyakama Jabala was unknown, yet his guru Gautama Rsi
    accepted him as a brahmana simply due to his truthful nature.
    Satyakama went on to initiate many disciples, out of which Upakosala
    was the most prominent.

    Agnivesya Muni was born as the son of the king Devadatta, and the
    brahminical dynasty known as the Agnivesyayana sakha appeared from
    him. Both Medhatithi and Kanva Muni were born in the ksatriya
    dynasty of Puru. The sage Citramukha was born a vaisya, yet he
    became a brahmarsi with many disciples.

    What matters in Hinduism is what Krishna said.Everything else is
    irrelevent and useless.The ultimate authority in hinduism is vedas
    and Geetha. We can also follow the original versions of mahabaratha
    and Ramayana by valmigi and vyasa. All these texts give the same
    message in different forms.Whatever is said in other books is
    acceptable as long as they coincide with vedas and Geetha.Else they
    arent relevent.

    Wide prevelence of a social evil doesnt mean that the religion was
    responsible for it.Buddha asked all his followers to avoid meat.Now
    every single buddhist in china,korea,cambodia etc eats
    snakes,reptiles and insects.Even Buddhist monks in these countries
    eat them.Is buddha responsible for this?

    Slavery was practiced in all churches in USA.Blacks werent admitted
    into churches for centuries.Every pastor had slaves.Is jesus
    responsible for this?

    Chanakya made chandraguptha maurya who was a vysya by birth the
    emperor of whole India.Chanakya was a bhramin who knew all
    vedas.Sathrapathi shivaji who was a dalit was made an emperor by
    smartha Ramdoss swami and he was blessed by dukharam both of them
    bhramins.Swami Vidyaranya a bhramin made Harihara and bukka two low
    caste accountants establish vijayanagar empire to save hinduism from
    muslims.

    The fundamental tenent of a democratic justice system is "1000
    criminals might escape,but not a single innocent should be
    unpunished".Dont hang hinduism for the crime it didnt do is my
    request.

    Lord krishna had no caste differences in the caste of his
    devotees.He made the aiyangars of srirangam who insulted
    tirupanalvar a dalit,carry him in their shoulders and come as a
    procession in the streets of srirangam to show the whole world that
    caste discrimination isnt correct.Thirupanalvar entered the temple
    with veda goshas and mangalavadhyas and krishna himself came and
    embraced him.THis is there in all vaishnava literatures.Now even
    after this if people discriminated in sri rangam who is to be blamed?

    Every shaiva literature says that nandanar a dalit was called by
    shiva into the nataraja temple by nataraja himself.God doesnt have
    any castes or creed.His devotees belong to only one
    creed.Devotees.There isnt any other caste in hinduism.

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