A matrimonial Blog written by Lakshman Prasad( Harsha's classmate)
  • Is it fair that everytime its the Brahmin community which is singled out for
    criticism? Is it only the Brahmin community which is settling down in the
    US? I dont want to start a caste feud but i thought our group was beyond
    such cheap shots.
  • Udanx;
    My sister got married a couple of months back and we advertised her profile
    in a number of magazines. Nowhere was there any evidence of the stupidity
    mentioned below. There were requests for guys girls "willing to settle in
    the US" but nothing close to the nonsense below.
    The below writeup seems more out of frustration of not finding a suitable
    girl than anything else.

    Udanx, you re saying you dint poke fun at the Brah community but your mail
    clearly states *".... its the attitude of people (particularly Brahm
    Community) and so called modern day mindset which is nothing but b****it"
    *
  • Its a bit like the Muslims claiming everything is a Zionist conspiracy.. :)
    In our house we have made a joke of that.. anytime we can't explain
    something.. we put it down to "Zionist conspiracy"..

    Having said that, I don't think Udanx was making an anti-Brahmin statement..
    I think the blog writer just happened to be a TamBrahm but the issue is the
    same across caste-lines in India
  • Udanx;
    I too have a cousin who fits the very same profile you are citing. The
    reason he's still unmarried is because he takes the "jaadagam matching"
    criteria too far. Your friends probably have such a criteria.
    Ask them to give a honest reason on why they haven't found(thats the word,
    shouldn't use the word "got") a match. Trust me, they would have rejected a
    few for a particular reason which they are unable to compromise.
  • Hi Rahul

    this was just one case of nri matrimonial system

    since tam bramhins are the most visible amongst nris they have been
    chosen as a background.
    i am sure many castes have overtaken bramin emigrant numbers.

    even percentage wise
    some communities like the nagarathars have almost a tenth of their
    population abroad.
    i used to have a classmate who didnt get married till he was 30. he
    was n the us. his mother used to plead" caste not important, jathakam
    not important, money not important ponnu computer padichirutnhaa
    pothum" this was in the early ninetes.


    we used to poke fun at her ( may her soul now rest in peace)
    aunty you can marry off your son to a computer. athu better.
    it was very common to seek employable brides in us those days.
    things change but expectations remain.
    just like the rajarika marriages of ponniyin selvan.


    venketesh
  • just like the rajarika marriages of ponniyin selvan.

    Hi Venkat
    You have a knack of connecting any subject under the sky to PS :)
    Shobha
  • Hi Shoba

    just imagine manimekalai's marriage talks in todays computer world
    if dhiwaker bhaskaran was active this is how he would have gone ahead



    vanthiyathevan software padichu velai illama courier companyla work
    panran.

    madurantakan SAP laam padichuttu head officela irukkaan. promotion
    chance irukku.

    aditya karikalan konjam kopam jasthinaalum kanchipurathula branch
    office CFO vaa irukkaan. company cmd aaka chance bright.
  • Haa,
    Now I know it is the  lack of computers & communication technology & marketing people like Dhiwaker bhaskar that the poor girl sacrificed her life for the courier boy !
    In contrast look at today's girls - it is their time to make demands now.
     
    I think Manimelkalai atleast had a chance to fall in love. Girls of my time (atleast most of us) Kannai moodikittu appa kaattina payyanukku kazhuthai neetiyachu.
    Shobha
  • Ezhuthaalare;
    Is this a preview of PS 3? :) :)
  • Udanx,
     
      Sorry for the unfinished email earlier.
     
      Order of the questions (right after Y2K got to rest):
     
      1.)  Do you have a Green Card? guy answered no
      2.)  Do you work on mainframe or midrange? guy answered mainframe
      3.)  Do you live in Bay area? No
     
      He was rejected because he was not able to answer yes  to any of these questions. The problem is there, not just in Tamil Nadu, but in Andhra too.
     
    Anandhi
  • No comments - for or against. Just thought will share what I came across.

    A couple of years back, my Sisters family started looking for a girl
    for my sisters machinan's son. he is in auto industry, decent pay, his
    father is in business for almost 3 generations...a decent well to do
    family. They searched a bride for more than 2 years (ofcourse he got
    married last Jan)..

    The demands that they came across....
    The guy should earn atleast a lakh per month (i commented, they should
    look for a guy in late forties and not late 20's, because only at that
    age, there is a remote possibility of earning 1 lakh per month even in
    IT industry)
    Girls mother to the boys mother - can I go to US for delivery??

    :

    I have many telungu friends from my MCA (no offense meant to Telungu
    people). The guys will say, I am doing PG to increase my dowry. The
    girls will say, I doing PG to decrease my dowry...
    veetukku veedu vaasappadi...
  • Even if based on Stats....Is Stats not science?
    Appo why B.Sc Stats...it should be BA stats right? :)

    Everyone can have their own view....I am not promoting Jadagam....but
    my personal experience....astrologers seldom tell anything on my
    jadagam, because they say, yours is kalasarpa jadagam and hence only
    Ragu and Kethu can direct your future. But whatever little they have
    said, everything has happend....so far.... for that matter my family
    never go behind astrologers...only for my marraige jadagam matching
    they went to an outside astrologer..never before never after...once in
    a blue moon my grandfather or my chittappa (both are good at this) do
    throw something here and there during casual chat...never looked at my
    jadagam fully. Just by my rasi, nakshatram...thats it. So i do believe
    in it. Probably it can be generalization...but still many say its a
    science..

    Lets not make it a new thread....top 10 countdown ippa than soodi
    pidikuthu...
  • Dear
    Kalki described the jadagam of RRC and Rajendran in PS. More knowledgable membersmay give some more information
  • Not exactly.. Stats is not science...
    Science is based on a testable hypothesis and any experiment that proves a
    particular hypothesis wrong, negates the entire hypothesis. That is not the
    case with statistics..

    I know jadagam here is a matter of "belief" for people and I tend not to
    argue or debate about beliefs. But I do take objection to people calling
    astrology .. science! :)
  • The science that you refer to is material science. Spiritual science is much
    more vast. Understanding that requires many many life times. Astrology is a
    small part of it.

    Do you believe in life after death? Just a curious question!
  • Nopes.. I don't believe in life after death. Again, I guess our definitions
    of what science is, varies. And I can't see any science in how planets/stars
    can affect our life. (Yes, there is pseudo-science available with claims
    about the gravitational fields of planets etc.. but while that might have an
    effect at a material level, I genuinely do not see how that can affect my
    actions).

    Anyway, like I said, beliefs can't be debated with!
  • Since energy can neither be created nor destroyed, and can only be
    transformed from one form to an other, can there be death as an absolute end
    of life which was a form of energy?
  • hmmm life is not equal to energy.. that is a fallacy in your proposition.
    the "matter" in the body is conserved as ash.. and hence energy and mass
    conservations are not violated. Death and life are abstract concepts.. you
    can't really bring them into the equation here.
  • Sandeep,

    Am enjoying this :)

    Like I said, "there was a mass that functioned"... that mass was either
    burnt and converted to ash and other forms of energy.. so the law of
    conservation of mass and energy work very well there.

    There is no confusion abou tthat. Do you agree with that?
    What do you mean by "where did this arise from"? It is a completely
    biological process. And then the growth of the body is based on the
    nutrients it receives.. so again conservation of mass and energy.

    I didn't say life and death are not scientific facts.. but the premise of
    "life" and "death" as some sort of alternate forms of energy is not
    scientific.. life and death as spoken about by "spiritual" people are
    abstract concepts.
  • I thought that even conservation of mass, energy and momentum are all
    postulates which cannot be applied at all levels. There is a qualifier
    for the law of conservation of energy -the law of conservation of energy
    states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains
    constant.
    As long as the systems we deal with conform to the above condition,
    fine; the law and equations are correct. There is no guarantee that the
    laws will be valid for all universes. As the law of 'parallel lines
    never meet' in Eucledean geometry fails in elliptical or hyperbolic
    geometry (which are more relevant to curved space and so on). In my
    opinion, spirituality and our current earth science concepts and rules
    are two different streams. One cannot be used to prove or disprove
    another, at least not in the foreseeable future.
    Sampath
  • Hi Arun,
     
    I am not sure how you came to conclusions that planetory motions and positions doesn't affect us...?
     
    science is never pseudo (meaning of pseudo is false).... And there is nothing false existing in Hindu religion and customs/beleif!
     
    Rgds.,
     
    Shiv
  • Sampath,
    Completely agree here. Well an "isolated" system can be as large or small as
    one wants.. so we can model it anyway we want. However, I agree with you
    that science and "spirituality" are two different streams. My objection was
    to using "pseudo-science" to bolster up spirituality .. which is actually a
    matter of belief.
  • Really? There is nothing false? I am sure we can find a lot of things that
    are wrong.. but let us not get into that since that is a matter of belief as
    you also mentioned. To me, where belief exists, we can't really debate that
    point.. but, don't call it science.
    You can believe that planets affect your motion but until and unless there
    is scientific evidence backing that up, that is all it is --- your belief.
  • Agree with your point about us not knowing everything. And about how it all
    originated.. there are still a number of hypothesis about that and it will
    probably never get solved to everyone's satisfaction.
    You again state that "there is a vast science associated with astrology".
    Can you please show some snippets from that? What do you mean by "science"
    in this regard?
  • Hi

    You might like to refer to the books I recommended. After reading those
    (only after), you can also read "Light on Life:An Introduction to the
    Astrology of India," You may also read "Ayurveda:Life Health and Longevity"
    Both these are by the same author Robert Svoboda. You may also read
    simultaneously - Paramahamsa Yogananda-Autobiography of a Yogi.

    The reason why I am recommending you to read is because without a basic
    understanding of the concepts or possibilities, it will be difficult to
    comprehend or accept. I myself was in a similar position a couple of years
    back.

    If you want to watch some interesting scientific (not western science!)
    discourses, you may like to watch a few videos of Paramahamsa Nithyananda on
    youtube. I think there are more than 400 videos but you may start watching
    them in the following order

    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=9q7pkfh1PN4
    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=MLeVLc07Bpc
    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=F2rFMZxkbrA&feature=PlayList&p=8D81B3AA3D2EC094&index=2

    After watching these and if you relate to it, you may check out the rest.
    http://in.youtube.com/profile_play_list?user=LifeBlissFoundation
    or
    http://in.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=LifeBlissFoundation

    There is a huge wealth of information you can get from this enlightened
    master.
  • THanks Sandeep. I am willing to give it a shot. :) Will look at these and
    then get back to you.
  • Dear Arun,
    Sorry to read you have to fight so diligently for hard science,
    in this day & age.
    Kathie
  • Kathie,
    :) Well, there are more religious people and believers than "others".. so I
    am not at all surprised. But it has been a good discussion, without rancor.
    I am willing to take a look at the videos that Sandeep suggested.. after all
    a scientific temper implies the willingness to test every hypothesis. :)
  • Kathie:

    There are many votaries for hard sciences, but few for soft sciences.

    There are two accepted norms:

    Everybody is innocent till proved guilty.
    The accused has to prove his innocence.

    Whether 'astrology' is a science or not is fought in several forums; if
    'definition of science' is the criteria, no problem, as definitions also
    evolve and mutate.

    Just on the lighter side, the british metro rail system has vastly
    reduced overcrowding in trains, when objected to by auditors - by
    changing the definition.

    More than 10 standing passengers for every hundred means overcrowding.
    Now the overcrowding limit is raised to 30 per 100.

    My point is, it is OK to discuss the scientific or unscientific nature
    of astrology; but the knowledge and wisdom preserved over thousands of
    years must not be allowed to perish.
    Sampath
  • It will be worth it, Im sure. Btw, I am not religious. I have never visited
    a temple in my adult life. I am only in it for the science - spiritual
    science!
  • Sampath,
    I see a basic disconnect here between my position and others so far. And
    that is this: Somehow, people talk about "eastern science" and "western
    science".. to me, science is science..the truth, period. Doesn't matter who
    says it. As the Vedas say, "Let good thoughts come to us from all sides"..
    this is equally true of good science. Just because something was done in
    antiquity in India does not automatically grant it the status of "good
    science" just as not every bit of science coming out of the western world is
    "valid" or "bad".

    Science is truth.. the way I see it. Now, if people argue that astrology is
    science, then they ought to be ready for questions challenging that and
    asking for lines of evidence. At least as Sandeep has provided with some
    "videos", we can take a look at them. Whether I personally would consider
    them as scientific evidence, I can only say after watching them.
  • Sandeep,
    Doesn't matter if one is religious or not.. I am just very "uptight" about
    what is called science that's all :) Shall get back to you!
  • I agree with you entirely when you say "science is science." It is the
    seeking of truth. A whole bunch of pseudo swamis and such like have
    corrupted the vedic science and the onslaught of British rule for a 100
    years has relegated a wealth of knowledge into degradation.

    People talk of "eastern science" and "western science" because such a
    distinction has unfortunately been made. I think this happened as a
    consequence of British rule. We are led to believe that the so called
    Western Science is superior due to the evident progress over the last 100+
    years. So, since science is science, we need to at least re-look at our own
    known tradition of more than 5000 years.

    If you are able to read the books I gave you, it will be worth it. To know
    spiritual science and truth, we need to listen only to enlightened souls.
    The Nithyananda videos on youtube are a treasure house of information on
    vedic tradition from this uniquely enlightened person who is only in his
    early 30s.

    You may also watch Sadgur Jaggi Vasudev, another enlightened person. There
    are videos in both English and Tamil.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ishafoundation.org&search_type=&aq=-1&oq=
  • Dear Sampath,
    I didn't mean to come across so hard-lined, but
    I'm afraid I'm in Arun's camp about this.
    (having an engineer for a father probably influenced me)

    Stars are too far away to affect us; stars making up each
    sign of the zodiac are made up of stars from many different
    galaxies, of many unrelated, incomprehensible distances from earth.
    They only appear to be related to each other.
    > Kathie
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