The greatest Heist in Indian history..How Indian History was changed and we didn’t even notice (10 posts)

  • Profile picture of thiru thiru said 3 months, 4 weeks ago:

    Looks good to read, but how much is really true? Like the big temple facts !

  • Profile picture of shankypriyan shankypriyan said 3 months, 4 weeks ago:

    People who fight “FOR IT” also creating misunderstanding.

    Ok, If I post scanned pages from my daughter’s 6th standard history guide,you will be shocked.

    But for History Matriculation Syllabus – One ” Exceed” guide used by schools is one of trash and fully Anti………….

    Our school immediately realised and tore those pages from the book., once i pointed out.

    I Teachmy childrenlike This. ” Dear Child – This is the real story. For exams only you have to writeas per your bookbut This is the actual back ground.”

    Many time it will be like Upanasam. For one line in the book, need give 2hour Upanyasam.

    Childern feel it is better to hear “Puranams” than learning History.

    For one line in the book, need to give 2hour Upanyasam.

  • Profile picture of satish_arun satish_arun said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    wonderful site…though didnt read it fully (will do later), the essence is
    well captured.

    a few years back, I was wondering what I read in history, during
    school…all I remember was a huge book on Mughals for the entire 9th
    standard (yes..it was just one huge book on the muslim rulers…each
    chapter for one mughal emperor)..and the british india for the whole of
    10th…this is definitely purposeful exploitation of young minds…showing
    them that we are use for nothing and only foreigners made us what we are
    today….

    Today, being republic day, I forced my 6 year old to sit with me and watch
    the R day parade live in DD. She was not interested, but i kept her
    interest with description of each…with little knowledge about them from
    my father who is ex air force. Remember those 80′s when DD was the only
    channel and almost every household will be watching the R-day parade,
    either out of patriotism or with no other choice left. But still every Oct
    2nd ‘Gandhi’ would be watched across country and scores of clippings on
    Indian freedom movement will be telecast.

    But in past 20 years..better not to talk about it.

    Yesterday watched an Ad of ‘The Hindu’….various people were asked, ‘who
    is father of Rama?’ and none can reply….same people are asked ‘Did
    Aishvarya Roy had a boy or girl child?’ every one replies instantly…..and
    the caption says…’Stay ahead of times’….what they mean…to forget our
    past and see only what celebrities does? Such is the plight of our country.

    This book fair, my only major purchase was ‘Complete Mythologycal series’
    of Amar chitra Katha…wanted my daughter to have a feel of our rich
    culture…as today there is no other avenues available for such knowledge.
    Ofcousre….i too wanted to read them to know more :)

    Not sure where we are headed….

  • Profile picture of trshash84 trshash84 said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Offering a non-conforming view point…

    Wow, what a horrible article! He’s as a-historical about things as he
    claims that the opposing party are!

    Addressing some points:

    > If you see, India is one of the very few countries to have a civilization
    > which goes back to about 3000 BC. No other country has this big a history.
    > To put it in perspective, India’s last golden age was in the 6th century
    > BC. Wonder what were the others in the world doing at that time……….
    >
    Three anti-facts in as many sentences (plus succeeding snide pictures that
    I shall not include in the interests of brevity).

    1. Civilizations that go back to about 3000 BC: a)
    China
    b) Syria (that’s *oldest
    continuously inhabited city in the world*, in case you didn’t notice) and
    the rest of the Fertile Crescent c)
    Greece.
    Some of these others have better claims to antiquity than we do.

    2. “India’s last golden age was in the 6th century BC.” ARGH! Thanks for
    invalidating your own thesis by your own ignorance! Try to pay attention to
    what you’re saying…

    3. Others in the world: The
    “Angrez”…
    The Americans … The Olmec *DECLINED* in
    the 6th BCE. I wonder if he considers the very beginnings of Greek
    philosophy to be “others”,
    or are they all part of Akhanda Bharat. Or the Spring and Autumn
    period…
    Let’s not denigrate other civilizations needlessly, OK?

    the last meaningful king that our History textbooks bother to mention is
    > Chandragupta II

    Yes, probably because the later Guptas weren’t really meaningful?

    The other kingdoms he mentions – Harsha, Palas, Pallavas, Cholas – I
    distinctly remember a pretty large chapters in my own history texts about
    the. Perhaps that has changed? I’m downloading the current NCERTs to find
    out. But one thing is for sure. There’s more chapters on more recent
    history. This is not an accidental thing. It seems to be specific policy
    because it is believed that this part of history is most relevant.

    He seems to pick his kingdoms for “badassery” – the quality by which they
    accomplish very important things like beating up all their neighbors, and
    create large empires (that historically last maybe 2 generations each?)
    and occasionally building big buildings. He just seems to want to feel
    proud of his own people; a colonial mentality springing from the idea that
    we had to have been colonial to be worthy too. He’s not picking them for
    any other reasons like contributing to our current systems of society and
    governance, examples to learn from or emulate, or anything else that makes
    studying history worthwhile.

    I’m downloading the NCERT textbooks right now, so let’s see… But the way
    I remember it is, when I was in school, until the 9th, we had history and
    geography as separate subjects. None of this “social studies” combined
    papers, and in my opinion, that was perfect. History and geography are
    incredible subjects that just don’t belong together like this. I think I
    learnt more of both because of that, personally.

    I’m sure some of his criticisms of the textbooks are legitimate, but his
    sense of patriotism feels very misplaced…

    Shash

  • Profile picture of trshash84 trshash84 said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Reading the textbooks (I’m only reading 6th right now), I found some very
    interesting things. First, the good:

    1. On multiple “pasts”

    Did you notice the title of this book, *Our Pasts? *We have used the word
    > ‘pasts’ in plural to draw attention to the fact that the past was *different
    > *for different groups of people. For example, the lives of herders or
    > farmers were different from those of kings and queens, the lives of
    > merchants were different from those of crafts persons, and so on. Also, as
    > is true even today, people followed different practices and customs in
    > different parts of the country. For example, today most people living in
    > the Andaman Islands get their own food by fishing, hunting, and collecting
    > forest produce. By contrast, most people living in cities depend on others
    > for supplies of food. Differences such as these existed in the past as well.
    >
    >
    > Besides, there is another kind of difference. We know a great deal about
    > kings and the battles they fought because they kept records of their
    > victories. Generally, ordinary people such as hunters, fishing folk,
    > gatherers, farmers or herders did not keep records of what they did. While
    > archaeology helps us to find out about their lives, there is much that
    > remains unknown.
    >
    2. On the south:

    > Assemblies in the southern kingdoms
    >
    > The inscriptions of the Pallavas mention a number of local assemblies.
    > These included the sabha, which was an assembly of brahmin land owners.
    > This assembly functioned through sub- committees, which looked after
    > irrigation, agricultural operations, making roads, local temples, etc.
    >
    > The ur was a village assembly found in areas where the land owners were
    > not brahmins. And the nagaram was an organisation of merchants. It is
    > likely that these assemblies were controlled by rich and powerful
    > landowners and merchants. Many of these local assemblies continued to
    > function for centuries.
    >
    The world of books
    > Some of the best–known epics were written during this period. Epics are
    > grand, long compositions, about heroic men and women, and include stories
    > about gods.
    > A famous Tamil epic, the Silappadikaram, was composed by a poet named
    > Ilango, around 1800 years ago. It is the story of a merchant named Kovalan,
    > who lived in Puhar and fell in love with a courtesan named Madhavi,
    > neglecting his wife Kannagi. Later, he and Kannagi left Puhar and went to
    > Madurai, where he was wrongly accused of theft by the court jeweller of the
    > Pandya king. The king sentenced Kovalan to death. Kannagi, who still loved
    > him, was full of grief and anger at this injustice, and destroyed the
    > entire city of Madurai.
    > A description from the Silappadikaram
    > Here is how the poet describes Kannagi’s grief:
    > “O witness of my grief, you cannot console me. Is it right that your
    > body, fairer than pure gold, lies unwashed here in the dust? Is it just
    > that in the red glow of the twilight, your handsome chest, framed with a
    > flower wreath, lies thrown down on the bare earth, while I remain alone,
    > helpless and abandoned to despair? Is there no god? Is there no god in this
    > country? Can there be a god in a land where the sword of the king is used
    > for the murder of innocent strangers? Is there no god, no god?”
    >

    And the bad…

    What I found worst about the books is a tendency to “talk down” to the
    children. They make statements of fact, not statements supported by fact.
    For example, “A Harappan city was a very busy place. There were people who
    planned the construction of special buildings in the city. These were
    probably the rulers. It is likely that the rulers sent people to distant
    lands to get metal, precious stones, and other things that they wanted.
    They may have kept the most valuable objects, such as ornaments of gold and
    silver, or beautiful beads, for themselves. And there were scribes, people
    who knew how to write, who helped prepare the seals, and perhaps wrote on
    other materials that have not survived.”

    Where did these statements come from? How are they supported? How do we
    know these things to be true? Is this any way to promote critical thinking
    in children?

    The short blurbs on top of each page are really stupid! I’d have resented
    those if I were made to study from these texts.

    In general, I think they’re a little better than textbooks of the BJP era
    (which I thank all the gods of luck in every pantheon that has ever existed
    that I escaped), and a little worse than the critical books that I really
    learned from. Honestly, I don’t think that the original blog’s criticisms
    can be completely sustained.

    More when I read the 7th and 8th, and maybe the book that the blogger
    suggested; John Keay’s India: A History.

    Shash

  • Profile picture of shankypriyan shankypriyan said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    It is not right that –
    It is likely that these assemblies were controlled by rich
    and powerful landowners and merchants.
    The purpose of the rule – should own land is totally different.

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  • Profile picture of trshash84 trshash84 said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Like I said, many of the statements are unsupported. But the general
    coverage is very good.

    Some amount of one’s prejudices will creep into any of one’s writings. This
    is true even of science and maths textbooks. History is really at a
    disadvantage…

    Shash

    On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:24 PM, sankaranarayanan k.s <

  • Profile picture of karrama12 karrama12 said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    When Mahatma Gandhi died in 1948, the Hindu Carried advertisement on the first page, then came the news.

    The Akshayavat of Prayag was cut and molten iron poured in roots so thatno treemay evercome up again there by the Mughals.
    IndeedAkshaya vat came up on the same roots where the burning iron was poured and it stands today as the giant tree still invoking worhip.
    Indian culture is nurtured by Gods !!!
    Even if it is reduced to ruins, it will raiseagain like Somnath !!!

    Ramakrishna Mission, Chinmaya Mission, Bharateeya Vidya Bhavan, Divine Life Society of Swami Sivanandahave been doing excellent work in taking Indian Cultural Heritage to the young ones.
    Their books are an excellent medium to educate the young about our culture, heritage and our Heroes.

  • Profile picture of shankypriyan shankypriyan said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Can we end the deabate now?

  • Profile picture of bondavadai bondavadai said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Nice reading

    Thanks for sharing. Learnt new things in the process.

    Nandri

    Sri Sri

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