Ponniyin Selvan Varalaatru Peravai

Thanks for sending!

I hope the descendants of the Pandian empire must also be living somewhere in Tenkasi / Chenkottai area….

I read somewhere that they alsozamin ( Possibly Sivagangai Zamin?) who got respect like Pandia King among other Zamins. But I could not recollect the source.

Thanjavur, Madurai, Ramnad, Pudukkottai and Sivaganga have large population

of Devar community from where the chozhas must have surely originated [imagine

the big kodu aruvaa meesai which is common in this belt ! ] though there may not

be any historical evidence to establish this fact !

veegopalji

It was an interesting interview, but the skeptic in me is wondering unless we have genetic confirmation, its rather premature to accept that the particular zamin is actually a living descendant which they do not offer any proof other than state their customs and allege that it was similar to the Chola coronation.Sri

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The problem is, we have not found any tomb of the Chola kings with their bodily remains. Most of them were cremated. Even if their ashes or burnt bone fragments were to be found in tombs,they may not carry any meaningful DNA. I doubt whether there are any paintings of the chola kings or life size statues with actual facial features ( VJ – please comment! ) with which we can try to match the faces of the current generation. But even that couldnt help.. Both the generations are 1000 years apart!

We could possibly do a DNA study of the current zamins and establish their relations… I doubt this could ever happen, unless otherwise a government agency or a bigger company could sponsor this research.

The only proof is the evidence they were crowned for the past 100 years or so. We have to dig back and find whether they have any other evidence – jewels, palm leaves, copper plates or any thing in their possession which could be dated using scientific means. We could also establish their lineage if a series of inscriptions bearing their last name could be traced out…

As I have stated earlier in the forum, their presence has been recorded in the telugu works of Tanjore and Gingee Nayaks namely Raghunadhabyudayam and Sahitya Ratnakara and the letters of Jesuit father Pimenta from the 15th century. (Attaching the pages from the book, “History of Gingee”)
 
Also, Al beruni in his book, records the destruction of important forts in tamil nadu by the invading mohammedan forces. It is mentioned that certain “Jalkottah” near GKC was also attacked. The author believes it must be this “Devikottai” or “Theevukottai” as it was originally called.
 
(On a separate note, vanniyar folklore mentions the ill fate of ‘Padayandavars’ (observe the title of the last person who spoke in the documentary) who had to abandon their original homeland, which was an islet (island) in the northern part of kollidam (called Jayamkondapattinam in the song). This was a part of a melancholy song (must be a lullaby sort-of).
 
Almost all the books about the Vijayanagar dynasty mention some amount of detail about them. Raghunatha Nayak (not sure about the name) was supposed to have a picture of him capturing this solaga in his palace at Tanjore!
 
Cholas were called chozhanars:

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=_uC1AAAAIAAJ&q=cholanar&dq=cholanar&hl=en&ei=3wypTrv9FsqJrAfpxdnuCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA

There was an inscription in the kutti andavar temple dating to 1583 mentioning a certain chozhaganar’s donation of land to the temple.
 
The objects shown (pagal thevetti, sword and the lance) could be dated. but there are chances that they were made after 16th century.
 
“they do not
> > offer any proof other than state their customs and allege that it was
> > similar to the Chola coronation.”
The panel drawing in the chidambaram nataraja temple shown at the end of the documentary shows sage Vyakrapadar and Patanjali giving the tiger flag to the chola monarch. Observe the similarity of that flag with the one which is in custody of the present generation.
 
Rajaraja’s face resemblance may not be much successful as you have rightly pointed out that they may of the chola-chalukya branch.
Historically there were many branches of chola, pandyas. So genetic mapping (to find out the similarities or genetic affinities) of the royal houses of Tamil Nadu (erstwhile polegars) can help to a certain extent!
 
Anyways, there is more research needed, specifically reading inscriptions of lesser known temples, the ones issued by the local chieftains of that region (Kadavarayars – Kachirayars, Sambuvarayars etc) and especially the inscriptions in “Devikottai” remanants.. if there is any; carefully examining the contemprary literatures of 13-15 centuries (of later pandyas and the telugu works of gingee and tanjore nayaks)

With Regards,
Karthik.P.Kalingarayar
 
“To us all towns are one, all men our kin.
Life’s goodness comes not from others’ gift, nor ill
Man’s pains and pains’ relief are from within.
Thus have we seen in visions of the wise !.”
- Tamil Poem in Purananuru, circa 500 B.C

Period of Dantivarman796–846 AD [1]
Period of Nandivarman III846–869 AD [2]
Period of Vijayalaya Chola 848-871 AD [3]

Solanar Ulagaperumanar gifted the perpetual lamp in the 51st year of Vijaya-Dantivikramavarman (846 AD).Vijayalaya Cholan’s earliest year of rule is consideredto be848 AD and nowhere in the later records he was mentioned as Ulagaperumanar.
Vijayalaya’s father name is Orriyuran. Orriyuran means Sivan [4]. Ulagaperumanar also could give the same meaning (Sivan). Solanar Ulagaperumanar might be the same Orriyuran, father of Vijayalaya Cholan.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dantivarman
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandivarman_III
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayalaya_Chola
4. http://www.tamilhindu.com/2010/11/shiva-and-shakthi/