”Tholkappiam preceded Rig Veda” – Did Hanuman spoke in Tamil to Sita? (10 posts)

  • Profile picture of shankypriyan shankypriyan said 6 months ago:

    There is also a speculation that Tamil was the spoken language and Sanskrit was the literray language. They show the following sloka of Valmiki Ramayanam to support that.

    When Hanuman wanted to speak to Sita – He was evaluating various options. He thinks that if i speak in Sanskrit Sita may think thathe isRavana’s man. So he decidesto speak in some other language. ( Note that Ravana spoke Sanskrit) Again he thinks how Sita will understand a Monkey Speaking Sanskrit? she will think that some Mayavi is doing this. So i should speak a language which humans speak but not sanskrit. ( Looks Sanskrit was used as a common language by Humans, Devas and Asuras – Assumption only)

    In which language did Hanuman finally spoke to Sita is not mentioned but as the only other Language of antiquity, it is speculated as Tamil.

    The sloka:

    yadi vaacam pradaasyaami dvijaatiH iva samskR^itaam |
    raavaNam manyamaanaa maam siitaa bhiitaa bhaviShyati || 5-30-18
    vaanarasya visheSeNa kathaM syaadabhibhaaSaNamm |
    18. pradaasyaami yadi= If I use; samkR^itaam vaacham= Sankrit language; dvijaatiriva= like a brahmin; siitaa= Seetha; bhiita bhaviSyati= well become frightened; masyamaanaa= thinking; maam= me; raavaNam= as Ravana; visheSeNa= especially; vaanarasya= for a monkey; katham= how; syaat= can it be; abhibhaaSaNam= spoken?
    “If I use Sanskrit language like a brahmin, Seetha will get frightened, thinking me as Ravana. Especially, how can a monkey speak it?”
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    avashyam eva vaktavyam maanuSham vaakyam arthavat || 5-30-19
    mayaa saantvayitum shakyaa na anyathaa iyam aninditaa |
    19. avashyameva= certainly; arthavat= meaningful words; maanuSam= of a human being; vaktavyam= are to be spoken; mayaa= by me; anyathaa= otherwise; iyam= she; aninditaa= the irreproachable; na shakyaa= cannot be; saantvayitum= consoled.
    “Certainly, meaningful words of a human being are to be spoken by me. Otherwise, the virtuous Seetha cannot be consoled.”

    http://www.valmikiramayan.net/sundara/sarga30/sundara_30_frame.htm

  • Pl. gothrough the link for some more analysis on the same topic.

    http://ancientindians.wordpress.com/languages-of-ancient-india/

    In the article, the author says thatthe language of Ayodhya, Prakrut. But in comments, she mentions that the language that Sita knew from Ayodhya is said to be Avadh. Other than this, her research on several topics about ancient Indialooks like good and reasonable.

  • Profile picture of trshash84 trshash84 said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    Prakrit is not a single language. Rather, it’s a description of the primary
    languages of different regions. There were several of these, like Magadhi
    (spoken in Magadha), Sauraseni (the ancestor of modern Hindi), and so on.
    Avadhi is the prakrit of the Avadh or Ayodhya region. So, this statement is
    absolutely correct.

    On the other hand, it wouldn’t have been called Avadhi during the
    hypothetical time of the Ramayana; the term Avadh came about from some time
    after the Turkish invasions (that is, the Delhi Sultanate). The region was
    also called Kosala, so I suppose the correct term for the language would be
    Kausali, or Kosali.

    Shash

  • Profile picture of ctbsiva ctbsiva said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    Yes.
    And I suppose all these Prakrit ‘languages’ including Tamil were basically vernaculars while Sanskrit was the scholastic.Guess this is what Mr.KSS is saying in his earliermail too. Would that be so?

  • Profile picture of shankypriyan shankypriyan said 5 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Hi

    I have not siad so. I only mentioned that Hanuman contemplated to speak in a Non Sanskrit language. I mentioned that it might be Tamil ( a speculation)

  • Profile picture of trshash84 trshash84 said 5 months, 3 weeks ago:

    On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:14 PM, CTb Sivakumaran wrote:

    > **
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    > Yes.
    > And I suppose all these Prakrit ‘languages’ including Tamil were basically
    > vernaculars while Sanskrit was the scholastic.Guess this is what Mr.KSS is
    > saying in his earlier mail too. Would that be so?
    >

    Pretty much; though not exactly… There are many scholastic works in the
    Prakrits too – though mostly Buddhist/Jain ones, and in Tamil, we have
    things like the Kural or the Thevaram, and so on.

    But Sanskrit was a kind of link-language for scholars from different parts
    of the country to communicate, and was specifically designed and
    constructed for this purpose – the very word “Samskritam” means something
    like “Refined” or “Constructed”. It was a distillation of the grammatical
    and semantic systems, and the vocabulary, of the Prakrits. If you wanted
    your work to be read and discussed by many scholars across the length and
    breadth country (and beyond, for that matter), you had to write in Sanskrit.

    Languages have been used in this way all through history – Latin in Europe,
    classical Arabic in the Islamic empires, English today, German by the late
    19th century and early 20th century physicists,…

    Shash

  • Profile picture of visham008 visham008 said 5 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Dear Sir,

    Why can’t that language be ‘Pali’ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pali)

    Rgds.,

    Shiv

  • Profile picture of intellisurfer intellisurfer said 5 months, 3 weeks ago:

    A nitpick….Brahmins are not the only dvijas. Kshatriya and Vaishyas too are considered Dvijas.

  • Profile picture of shankypriyan shankypriyan said 5 months, 3 weeks ago:

    AsI said -There is a speculation on the language spoken by Hanuman.

    Now If if major Bhudhist works were in Pali, then in what languahe Jearly ain texts were written?

  • Profile picture of trshash84 trshash84 said 5 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Hi,

    On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Shiv N. Shankar

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