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Are the later Cholas a ’robber dynasty’? (21 posts)

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memark20 said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Thank you for allowing me to write in this group. Adiyen is interested in Pallava history, culture and art. It is a historic fact that Pallava Kanchipuram was more cosmopolitan, welcoming many races and religions than the later Chola dynasty ever was. It is unfortunate that Sriman Kalki chose to glorify the medieval Cholas – who began with Vijayalaya Cholan – and who had nothing to do with the early Cholas – and were in consequence, a ‘robber’ dynasty. History will judge the Cholas for their brutal destruction of the zenith of Tamil culture built up by the glorious Pallava kings and also for introducing intolerance in Tamizhagam.

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memark20 said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Thank you for allowing me to write in this group. Adiyen is interested in Pallava history, culture and art. It is a historic fact that Pallava Kanchipuram was more cosmopolitan, welcoming many races and religions than the later Chola dynasty ever was. It is unfortunate that Sriman Kalki chose to glorify the medieval Cholas – who began with Vijayalaya Cholan – and who had nothing to do with the early Cholas – and were in consequence, a ‘robber’ dynasty. History will judge the Cholas for their brutal destruction of the zenith of Tamil culture built up by the glorious Pallava kings and also for introducing intolerance in Tamizhagam.

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lkailasam said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Dear members,

Many of us like me still treat the
Chola king as Gods.
One of the learned member says that Chola kings are robberers.
I don’t how he comes to such conclusion. I am enclosing the IPC definition of Robbery.
Can the Hon’ble member could tell which
king of Cholas committed such crime?
I need specific authenticated facts and proof for making such serious group
defamation statement.
I also request the member to refer 499 and 500 of Indian penal code.

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shankypriyan said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Dear Friends

Can I acuse the following on Later Cholas:

1. They attcked and weakened the Kingdoms of Kadaram, Savakam, Java. This ultimately led to the collapse of Hindu culture there.

2. When Gajini was attacking Somnath, Rajendra Chola was attcking Bengal and weakened it. It made life easy for Muslims . ( for capturing Bengal)
When Somnath was destructed, we were building Gangai Konda Cholapuram

3. The Rajaraja1, Rajendra 1, Kulothunga 1 were supposed be great kings, but they didnot do anything to help the Northern Kings who were fighting Sulatanates And Kulothunga was attacking Kalingam.

4. Even the Later Pandyas did not do any thing to support the North.

5. They did not make any attempt to know about the fire and cannon technology developing in turk/kabul.

Sindum Panjabum elandu kangai kondenna, kalingam kondenna.

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abhivencat said 2 years, 4 months ago:

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> Can I acuse the following on Later Cholas:
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> 5. They did not make any attempt to know about the fire and cannon technology developing in turk/kabul.

even muslim invasion of 1314 of madurai did not use cannons. they may have used fire thrower variants.
the cannon came into india much after the tamil culture had collapsed.
it was babar who brought it.

the first cannon (midfa in Arabic) was used in a battle in palestine in 1260 between mongols and mamluksm. less than 100 years later the british and the french were using it.
babars invasion introduced the firearm to india in 1526, 200 years after tamil kings ceased to be a power

venketesh

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intellisurfer said 2 years, 4 months ago:

> Can I acuse the following on Later Cholas:

Hell, we can accuse them and any other Kingdom of everything and anything. They are not here to defend )))

> 1. They attcked and weakened the Kingdoms of Kadaram, Savakam, Java. This ultimately led to the collapse of Hindu culture there.
How so?

> 2. When Gajini was attacking Somnath, Rajendra Chola was attcking Bengal and weakened it. It made life easy for Muslims . ( for capturing Bengal)
How so?

> 3. The Rajaraja1, Rajendra 1, Kulothunga 1 were supposed be great kings, but they didnot do anything to help the Northern Kings who were fighting Sulatanates And Kulothunga was attacking Kalingam.
There were other mighty kingdoms between the North and Chola kingdom.

and so on so forth….

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intellisurfer said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Germaine to the discussion here. Just more Conspiracy Theories {apiddi partha all theories are Conspiracy until proven otherwise ))))))) }

http://controversialhistory.blogspot.com/2007/10/origin-of-cholas-tamil-myth.html

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muruganantham.balakrishnan said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Dear Sankarnarayanan,

Super, super, super. We are amazed at your fantastic accusations and great salute to you.
You can add this also:

a) They had not fully captured Ceylon (Eelam) and eradicated Sinhalese. If they had done so, recent ethnic problems would not have erupted.

b) They had not stabilised rule in Malaysia, Singapore and Far East. If they had done so, Tamils would be still ruling there.

c) Rajendra should have proceeded beyond Himalayas and defeated Gengis Khan. He was a fool in not doing so.

d) Rajaraja and Rajendra wou

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lkailasam said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Dear,
The views are totally incorrect.

It is true that they attacked kadaram etc with a view to safeguard the Hindu culture and tamils residing there.You may please see many temples were constructed during the period and they are still exists

The comparison of rajendra with gahjini is highly hurting.You are comparing a destroyer of a temple and swindled the entire wealth with the king who constructed a temple at ganagia konda cholapuram.

The king as a quality can do help, if it is required. I hope no chola king refused to help any northern king who requests chola assistance.

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nicholasprabhu said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Dear sir,
Iam totally with you , the view point of yours is correct,we dont have any right to accuse chozhans, if they might have been like turkeys or like some others invaders,we might have been in diferent positions and more over they build lot of temple as we know.
Regards;Prabhu.K

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sarulg_18 said 2 years, 4 months ago:

How is this calling later cholza as “robber”??

boss… please read the history and come here. during pallavas they allowed Sanskrit to flourish and spoiled our language TAMIZH. Pallavas are not south Indian.. can you tell they are from which clan???/ during sangam period what they did??? they did nothing to tamilzh culture… they followed buddishm…
It is not that Mr. Kalki wrote only about PS. He wrote also about “Sivakamein Sabatham” ie in the back ground of Pallava History. But only the Chozla History captured the interest of layman like me and not the pallava histroy.
Pallavas are great kings and take care of my forefather for 4-5 centuries. I am not going to hate that dynasty for the sake of your comments about Chozhas.

Invading another country is not a wrong deed in those days (even now some contries are doing that…sorry for that) please do not compare Rajendra with Gajini. The point is they were in the Northern india in war one and the same time but did not fought against each other for the reason known only to them.But this does not qualify Gajini to get compared with Rajendra…A KING. Please read some histroy about chozhas and also of foreign rules in their country and understand what chozas did for their Country and Gajini or his fellow rulers did for their countries and then come to contribute to this group.

“Rajendra weakened bengal so that bengalis lost to muslim…. ” For this Rajendra has nothing to do.

Your are worrying that chozhas has did nothing to North India… (a foreign land at those time to Mr. Rajendra) but please appreciate what is happening in these 62 years for Tamil Nadu (now… one and the same country)

Sorry boss… i dnt know who you are… even you did not give your full name…but sorry you are not having any qualification to talk about chozhas…! if you want to contribute anything to this group, please do one thing… do not sent any mails to this group that itself would be a great contribution.

S.Arul Ganesh

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dhevindran said 2 years, 4 months ago:

i am also tottally with u arun

somasundram

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dhevindran said 2 years, 4 months ago:

you are very correct mr.laxmanan if i ask any help from u, u help me if not why u trying to help me by spending manpower

somasundram

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shankypriyan said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Dear Sir,

If the logic is ” No body asked for help” from North. Then why Rajendra went to attack Bengal. Did they harm him.

The matter of fact is they were too absorbed in their own pride.

The vijayanagar empire alone can be held in esteem. Only they protected the thevaram temple. If not for them, we also will be building tempales in marble.

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shankypriyan said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Dear Friends

What should be the lesson from the History.

Is the attck on bengal and Orissa justifid at a time of muslim invassion on Delhi.

Were they not aware of what is happenning in Delhi?

If they can go all the way to kadaram to protect Hinduism and then why wait for an invitation for protecting Delhi.

For a person who knew anout bengal it is not logical to think that he dosenot know delhi and somnath.

( currently travelling in AP and will come back on tuesday to comtinue the topic)

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