MADAN ANSWERS (23 posts)

  • Profile picture of abhivencat abhivencat said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    hi all

    madan has answered to kamal’s “bagiranga kaditham.”

    4 pages ( which i think is more than what that letter deserved)

    I request you all to read it with an open mind.

    he has systematically defended himself and broken kamal’s theories .

  • Profile picture of abhivencat abhivencat said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    Hi
    since anandavikadan hasnot yet given a link to this week’s issue i
    photographed mada’s answer and posted it in the photos section on
    folder called MADANS ANSWER

    CHECK IT OUT.

  • Profile picture of rahul_pentiumiii rahul_pentiumiii said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    a nice piece by Madan. Its so factual and bereft of any emotions which we,
    especially those born and bought up in the deccan plateau, are so guilty of.
    I loved the piece where Madan descirbes the “virundhombal” by the kings to
    poets. The clinical crushing of the “Chola pass” theory was stunning!!

    I feel our replies to such learned people should also be in a similar vein.
    Our emotional outbursts would actually be doing us more harm than good.
    Instead it would be good if our efforts are focussed on proving Madan wrong
    with hard, cold facts. The RRC book might be a good starter.

    Even though Shankar’s 23am Pulikesi might have been too comical looks like
    there are certain truths in there. This poet treatment instance is one.

    Hope all our efforts end up in proving the obvious greatness our land.

  • Profile picture of sswetha_2000 sswetha_2000 said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    Its so factual and bereft of any emotions which we, especially those
    born and bought up in the deccan plateau, are so guilty of.

    Rahul, this sums it up!! Nothing more or nothing less to say.
    Unavailability of facts is a fact… this is the unfortunate truth..

    swetha

  • Profile picture of abhivencat abhivencat said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    Its so factual and bereft of any emotions
    which we,
    > especially those born and bought up in the deccan plateau, are so
    guilty of.

    Hi rahul
    your choice of words and stringing them together is great.
    like madan said ” unarchi miguthiyaal ennai thaakki irukkiraarkal”
    if you noticed the article in varalaaru.com and the initial reactions
    to it in this group as well as the reactions printed in varalaaru.com
    are full of emotions.

    it reminds me of a typical dravidian election party meeting. the
    standard formula was to start meeting with ” thamilan endru
    solladaa, thalai nimirnthu nilladaa…’ or acham enbathu
    madamaiyadaa. anjaamai draavidan udamaiyadaa…
    after that 90% of the audience could be led by the speaker like a
    calf on a tether rope.
    also the meeting would be full of words like ” anna enna sonnaar?’.
    they would keep on repeating that but never tell what anna said till
    the end.
    venketesh

    > I loved the piece where Madan descirbes the “virundhombal” by the
    kings to
    > poets. The clinical crushing of the “Chola pass” theory was
    stunning!!
    >
    > I feel our replies to such learned people should also be in a
    similar vein.
    > Our emotional outbursts would actually be doing us more harm than
    good.
    > Instead it would be good if our efforts are focussed on proving
    Madan wrong
    > with hard, cold facts. The RRC book might be a good starter.
    >
    > Even though Shankar’s 23am Pulikesi might have been too comical
    looks like
    > there are certain truths in there. This poet treatment instance is
    one.
    >
    > Hope all our efforts end up in proving the obvious greatness our
    land.
    >
    > Regards
    > Rahul
    >

  • Profile picture of muhilslm muhilslm said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    like madan said ” unarchi miguthiyaal ennai thaakki irukkiraarkal”
    if you noticed the article in varalaaru.com and the initial reactions
    to it in this group as well as the reactions printed in varalaaru.com
    are full of emotions

    Dear Venketesh,

    What is the use of reading PS? What we have got if we are a PS Member. R we going to get any benefits, if we know about RRC and RJC?

    If we are mentioning in our appraisal form like PS reader, PS group member means are we going to get any monetary benefits?

    Nothing no?

    Then what is the need?

    Its giving a good pleasure to us. Pleasure nothing but a kind of Emotion only no? So, nothing wrong in showing our emotions as Kamal has shown in his letter to Madan.

    But how we are going to divert our emotions for a better results.

    Defineitely I am not going to contribute in the project since I am not a person knowing so many things about our history. But there are several people who are having
    lot of enthusiasm and knowldge to do. They will make our dream of a book about our tamil kingdoms very soon

    Advance congratulations for them.

  • Profile picture of abhivencat abhivencat said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    Hi

    precisely muhilan, if you notice well madan in his first answer had
    mentioned Ponniyin selvan. he had said with the available info on
    tamil kings only novels can be written.

    emotions are right in fiction reading and writing. and this being a
    literary group there are quite a few of us who get emotional. but let
    me tell you a pure line history writer cannot let his creativity or
    emotions take charge.thats a a job for a novelist or fiction writer.

    did you notice how madan quotes his references. he has referred so
    many books for a fourline answer and takes about a minute to quote
    them. he doesnt shoot off his words and then run around justifying
    them. history has to be a science just like physics or chemistry.

  • Profile picture of rahul_pentiumiii rahul_pentiumiii said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    << standard formula was to start meeting with … or acham enbathu
    madamaiyadaa. anjaamai draavidan udamaiyadaa… after that 90% of the
    audience could be led by the speaker like a calf on a tether rope.

    haha…but thats one of my all time favorite songs. Antha paattum all
    vaathiyar songs are beautiful. Incredible lyrics.

  • Profile picture of ymr26 ymr26 said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    Hi,
    I have been read Madan’s reply and counter reply by Sri. Gokul and now
    by Madan again. I think Madan is right from what he is saying, we dont
    have “detailed” descriptions or day to day activities as seen in other
    emperor’s times..to put in madan’s words like baburnama.
    But we cannot blame the kings for not maintaining a diary. Also we
    cannot blame ourselves for not discovering everything as of now. There
    are things yet to discover. (Maybe PS/varalaru group can discover
    something crucial, who knows)
    As of now with the material we have, we can speculate rather than
    conclude.
    Ragothaman

  • Profile picture of sps10142004 sps10142004 said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    — In [email protected], “y.m.ragothaman”
    wrote:

    > Hi,
    > I have been read Madan’s reply and counter reply by Sri. Gokul

    GOKUL ? He has not replied Madan..

    It is Kamal @ adithakarikalan of our group.
    One of the Editors of varalaaru.com team.

    Iraiyanbu.IAS asked Madan to write on Tamil Kings (as he has written
    on Moghuls).

    Madan replied the documentation by Tamil Kings is not sufficient to
    take up such task. Also poets and others flattered more in literature.

    This attracted criticism..

    Kamal, in varalaaru.com brought out an article highlighting enough
    materials made avl already by Sastri & Pandrathar and others.

    Madan appreciated the effort to bring historical details under a .com
    - named as varalaaru.com for reference. He also referred the same
    Scholars and mentioned that these details are not sufficient to carry
    on a work.

    Re Cholapass, our Dear Venkat brought out a version that it was 200 yr
    old Tibetian word.

    I already posted that there is mention of these in Periyapurnam..

    Some of of us in our Group already commenced woprks on RRC History..
    and will be needing support of other scholarly members…

    We will fullfil IAS Iraiyanbu’s wish.. to the best of our ability ourself.

    sps

    and now
    > by Madan again. I think Madan is right from what he is saying, we dont
    > have “detailed” descriptions or day to day activities as seen in other
    > emperor’s times..to put in madan’s words like baburnama.
    > But we cannot blame the kings for not maintaining a diary. Also we
    > cannot blame ourselves for not discovering everything as of now. There
    > are things yet to discover. (Maybe PS/varalaru group can discover
    > something crucial, who knows)
    > As of now with the material we have, we can speculate rather than
    > conclude.
    > Ragothaman
    >
    > — In [email protected], “Rahul dhinakaran”
    > wrote:
    > >
    > > < > madamaiyadaa. anjaamai draavidan udamaiyadaa… after that 90% of the
    > > audience could be led by the speaker like a calf on a tether rope.
    > >
    > > haha…but thats one of my all time favorite songs. Antha paattum all
    > > vaathiyar songs are beautiful. Incredible lyrics.
    > >
    > > Regards
    > > Rahul
    > >
    > > On 4/20/07, R.venketesh wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Its so factual and bereft of any emotions
    > > > which we,
    > > > > especially those born and bought up in the deccan plateau, are so
    > > > guilty of.
    > > >
    > > > Hi rahul
    > > > your choice of words and stringing them together is great.
    > > > like madan said ” unarchi miguthiyaal ennai thaakki irukkiraarkal”
    > > > if you noticed the article in varalaaru.com and the initial
    reactions
    > > > to it in this group as well as the reactions printed in
    varalaaru.com
    > > > are full of emotions.
    > > >
    > > > it reminds me of a typical dravidian election party meeting. the
    > > > standard formula was to start meeting with ” thamilan endru
    > > > solladaa, thalai nimirnthu nilladaa…’ or acham enbathu
    > > > madamaiyadaa. anjaamai draavidan udamaiyadaa…
    > > > after that 90% of the audience could be led by the speaker like a
    > > > calf on a tether rope.
    > > > also the meeting would be full of words like ” anna enna sonnaar?’.
    > > > they would keep on repeating that but never tell what anna said till
    > > > the end.
    > > > venketesh
    > > >
    > > > > I loved the piece where Madan descirbes the “virundhombal” by the
    > > > kings to
    > > > > poets. The clinical crushing of the “Chola pass” theory was
    > > > stunning!!
    > > > >
    > > > > I feel our replies to such learned people should also be in a
    > > > similar vein.
    > > > > Our emotional outbursts would actually be doing us more harm than
    > > > good.
    > > > > Instead it would be good if our efforts are focussed on proving
    > > > Madan wrong
    > > > > with hard, cold facts. The RRC book might be a good starter.
    > > > >
    > > > > Even though Shankar’s 23am Pulikesi might have been too comical
    > > > looks like
    > > > > there are certain truths in there. This poet treatment instance is
    > > > one.
    > > > >
    > > > > Hope all our efforts end up in proving the obvious greatness our
    > > > land.
    > > > >
    > > > > Regards
    > > > > Rahul
    > > > >
    > > > > On 4/20/07, R.venketesh wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Hi
    > > > > > since anandavikadan hasnot yet given a link to this week’s
    issue i
    > > > > > photographed mada’s answer and posted it in the photos
    section on
    > > > > > folder called MADANS ANSWER
    > > > > >
    > > > > > CHECK IT OUT.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > regards
    > > > > > venketesh
    > > > > >
    > > > > > — In
    > [email protected]
    > > > ,
    > > > > > “R.venketesh”
    > > > > > wrote:
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > hi all
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > madan has answered to kamal’s “bagiranga kaditham.”
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > 4 pages ( which i think is more than what that letter
    deserved)
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I request you all to read it with an open mind.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > he has systematically defended himself and broken kamal’s
    > > > theories .
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > regards
    > > > > > > venketesh
    > > > > > > the subtle message to varalaaru.com in madans letter was what
    > > > all
    > > > > > our
    > > > > > > teachers used to tell us in school ” do your home work
    properly”
    > > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
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  • Profile picture of ponniyinselvi_kartik ponniyinselvi_kartik said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    i am sure that i expressed the same.but then there was a lot of vehement opposition.”UNARCHI MIGUTHIYALOO?

  • Profile picture of nalluran123 nalluran123 said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    Link to Madhan’s Answer

  • Profile picture of nalluran123 nalluran123 said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    sorry, that is here

    http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cNUoRlVYZBY3j03YquHywkZheyWdTx_G_0h2tgZKHD_xeSccwAIP67sWhyoVdgBdcJesrH9w3fJn5yns8Vu_OqCi_z6traMQkg/Madhan%20Ans.pdf

    Regards.

  • Profile picture of sps10142004 sps10142004 said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    — In [email protected], “anees mohamed”
    wrote:
    >
    > sorry, that is here
    >
    >

    http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cNUoRlVYZBY3j03YquHywkZheyWdTx_G_0h2tgZKHD_xeSccwAIP67sWhyoVdgBdcJesrH9w3fJn5yns8Vu_OqCi_z6traMQkg/Madhan%20Ans.pdf

    >
    > Regards.
    >
    >
    > On 4/20/07, anees mohamed wrote:
    =====================

    ANEES MOHAMMED @ NALLURAN !

    WHAT A LOVELY COMBINATION.. WELCOME OUR DEAR FRIEND..

    Missed to notice you earlier..

    thanks for that link..

    anbudan / sps

  • Profile picture of snandaakumar snandaakumar said 5 years, 1 month ago:

    Thank you Anees. So looks like we need to answer Madhan in his own way, by providing him inputs/evidences and constructive materials . :)

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