Ponniyin Selvan Varalaatru Peravai

Dear satish,

The olgu and guruparaprabavam are supposedly the core works. Both are filled with glaring errors and need a critical review atleast from historic time line. I wrote about these in another form at length but was targeted for some abuse and hence left it at that!!

Vj

dear Satish

*அவ்யபதேச்யன் - means *பெயரிட்டுக் கூறவும் தகுதியற்றவன் - * one who is fit
not even to name !!

anyway, for good order sake - there are many specific references to the said
King being a Chola in the Olugu and GuruParambarai - right from Mathiketta
Cholan, Chola Kulam Nasikkum padi abichaaram etc.

Coming to the Olugu - the glaring errors have been attempted to be corrected
in the revised version recently edited by Srivaishnavasri. He also
recommended that a similar effort should be done for the Guruparambarai as
well. This you will find in the preface of his newly released edited Olugu.

Some of the points you have to consider before we start this thread:

Actual dates of Sri Ramanuja, Koorathalwar ( his vaibavam - 1000th year was
celebrated last year - same year as big temple consecration !!), the King
Bittideva / Vishnuvardhana who reigned in Melcote and supported Udayavar -
his dates.

Why i am saying this is, if you have time to read the Guruparamabarai - i
will request you to read the about Sri Nathamunigal. He was the grandfather
of Yamunacharayar who in his old age died with three fingers clenched just
as Udayavar walked in. Long story but this is to just give you an idea of
the period range. Now, the accepted date for Sri Nathamunigal is around 900
CE to 950 CE, giving time for the 2 generations. Now comes the tricky part,
as per the Guruparampara - Sri Nathamunigal was a resident of Gangai Konda
Cholapuram. He saw the Chola King and queen going hunting in Gangai Konda
cholapuram and mistook them for Rama and Sita and followed them. He could
not catch up with them and finally died at the gates of Gangai Konda
Cholapuram. Yes, in the Nathamunigal Vaibavam there are 3 specific
references to the place as Gangai Konda Cholapuram. Now we need to brush up
our history to see if time travel were possible for we all know when the
title Gangai Kondan and Gandai Konda cholpuram were coined !.

I know some of you will start jumping already, just read below



*http://www.thiruvarangam.com/history.html

*The Guruparamparai belongs to that type of chronicle known as hagiology. It
records the history of a religious movement by tracing the list of its
successive spiritual preceptors. Its usefulness for an attempt at
reconstructing the history of Vaisnavism in South India cannot be
exaggerated. To this type belong the Arayirappadi Guruparamparai of
Pinbalagiya Perumal Jiyar, the Guruparamparai of the third Barahmatantra
Swatantra Jiyar, the Divyasuricaritam and the Prapannamrtam of Anantarya,
the first two being Tamil (Manipravalam) works and the next two Sanskrit.
The Acaryasuktimuktavali by Namburi Kesavacarya, also called Vaduga Nambi or
Andhrapurna, is a similar hagiology in Telugu. Of these the earliest is the
Aryirappadi Guruparamparai whose author is, according to well-known Vaisnava
tradition, assigned to the first half of the 13th century.

*
If you take Koyil Olugu:

The Period (life span only is only fixed) of Sri Ramanuja itself has
oscillated between many dates. There are many contrasting accounts / dates
for the Melcote visit. These are well documented and i dont claim to be the
first to point about these. The most glaring mistake ( i term it as a
mistake not inconsistency) - is the sequence of events - 1314 is an
important year - a 6 month period which shook the foundation of ever major
temple -

http://www.thiruvarangam.com/history.html


*A perusal of the Koil-Olugu shows that the sequence of events adopted is
jumbled, e.g., the period of the Acaryas is dealt with after the first
Muslim attack on Srirangam. Certain events or names are repeated in a
different context; this was perhaps because an accountant recorded certain
past events in the diary without liquiring whether the same had been
recorded or not by a predecessor of his. The jumbled sequence might have
been due to the constant resuscitations of the original due to the
vicissitudes of history and the imperfections and shortcomings of scribes. It
is also possible that a scribe while making a copy made his own
interpolations. The Olugu maintains a fairly correct sequence of events
while dealing with the Vijayanagar period and after.*

*With its many imperfections in sequence, chronology and language9 *

*
*Fantastic usage of the english language and i hope the site is not pulled
down or the author castigated for writing such.

. இவர்கள் சுட்டும் `சோழன்` யார்? அவன் சிற்றரசனா? பேரரசனா?

There are accounts of many Pandya's ruling at the same time concurrently,
but with the cholas especially in the period that is ascertainable to this
discussion - their regnal years are distinct including co ruler, reagent -
rajakesari/para kesari etc. Below is the list of chola kings of that period.
For a king to cause a great person like sri Ramanuja to leave the land, he
cannot have been a citrarasan anyway!!

Rajaraja Chola I 985–1014
Rajendra Chola I 1012–1044
Rajadhiraja Chola 1018–1054
Rajendra Chola II 1051–1063
Virarajendra Chola 1063–1070
Athirajendra Chola 1067–1070
Kulothunga Chola I 1070–1120
Vikrama Chola 1118–1135
Kulothunga Chola II 1133–1150
Rajaraja Chola II 1146–1163
Rajadhiraja Chola II 1163–1178
Kulothunga Chola III 1178–1218
Rajaraja Chola III 1216–1256

Now, can we fill in the dates for Sri Ramanujar's lifetime starting with his
date of birth, his stay in melcote with starting date.