Karikaalan and Chola pass ( Nepal )
  • There is an interesting article, that I came accross on the net.

    According to the Sangam classics, each of the respective rulers of the chief Tamil kingdoms, the Cera, Cola and Pandya, carried his sword as far north as the Himalayas, and implanted on its lofty heights his respective crest the bow, the tiger and the fish. In these adventures which the Tamil Kings underwent for their glorification, they did not lag
    behind their northern brethren. The very epithet Imayavaramban shows that the limits of the empire under that Emperor extended to the Himalayas in the north. This title was also earned by Ceran Senguttuvan by his meritorious exploits in
    the north. Names like the Cola Pass in the Himalayan slopes, which in very early times connected Nepal and Bhutan with ancient Tibet, give a certain clue to the fact that once Tamil kings went so far north as the Himalayas and left their
    indelible marks in those regions. http://www.atributetohinduism.com/War_in_Ancient_India.htm

    Is this anyway related to Karikaala? As mentioned in 'Kalingathu Parani', he is only Chola Ruler, who went until Himalayas. ( the other, stopped at Banks of River Ganges.)?

    Rajendhra Cholan!
  • Dear Rajendra cholan

    What an excellent link ! Yet to read it completely, but it looks
    like an excellent compilation ! Thanks a lot for the same.

    On himalayan expetition and Tamil king's association with North
    (like "Perun chotrudhiyan" who provided food during mahabharatha,
    Aariyap padai kadantha nedunchezhiyan who won "aarya's (whom we
    don't know), "Imayavaramban" and karikaalan) I have my own
    reservations.
    * First, it was extremely difficult to mobilise an army as far as
    himalayas in those days. After all what was the need and what was
    the proposed benifits ?
    It would have required years and years and that would have invited
    relentless wars all along. Might not have been worthwhile.Even the
    great rajendra had to stop with Ganges.
    * These conquests seem to have been recorded only in tamil
    literature and no serious mention about it in North indian
    literatures and inscriptions (as far as I know).. Ashokan edicts
    mention three kings of south that's all. There was some mails
    earlier on mention about pandiyas in mahabharat etc...

    The chola pass information is interesting but we don't know whether
    it was indeed the tamil chola kings who inspired this naming. With
    the set of available info, it is too early to conclusively state
    that Tamil kings went upto himalayas.

    Other opinions are welcome

    Thanks & Rgds
    Gokul.S
  • Hi All,

    On the visit of Cankam Tamil kings to N. India, I hope
    some of the kingdoms would have allowed the army to
    pass through their territory on friendly terms.

    It was also common for a crowned prince to perform
    "digvijay" those days. Visiting Himalaays might have
    been considered as a deed or as a pilgrimage those
    days for kings in the south.

    So I dont think this was an impossible task. We accept
    Alexander and the moghuls to cross so many
    civilizations and conquest. So why not Tamil kings ?

    There is a mention of Nandars and Mouriers in Cankam
    literature. They might have been friendly kingdoms in
    the past.
  • Dear All
    rather than installing fonts try this reader you can access it anywhere and anywhere to read tamil text

    http://www.suratha.com/reader.htm
  • Dear VK
    I agree with you absolutely
    Why do we always have to undersestimate the achivements of tamils...Why would anyone not reaching the heights of himalayas add that as their achievement anyway...

    If they could have trade upto rome Himalayas might not have been a big thing
  • Dear Gokul and All

    When people beleive that Rama created a bridge across palk straits with the help of monkeys...

    That the aswamedha yaga was performed by Yudishtra....

    That The tamil kings fought in the great bratha war which should have been in 3000 bc becuase thats around the time they say krishna was born......then tamil culture is so antique.

    It really doesnt add up does it....

    One one side they say the vedic and krishna period is in 3000 BC era...on the other hand that tamil culture is probably only 2500 years old...

    Tough

    Sri
  • The follwing site a good deal of calculations to identify Mahabaratha age.

    http://www.sulekha.com/expressions/column.asp?cid=305835

    Tamil culture is much, much.... and more older as Rama mentions a Pandya Kingdom to Anjaneya in Ramayana.

    I am also happy to learn, even Sozhas are very very old clan as, Kaanchanamaalai, wife of Malayadwija Pandyan, and Mom of Meenaakshi, a Sozha Queen.

    Rajendhra Cholan!

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