We have discussed a lot on this subject - Kirumi Kanda Cholan - and time and again have quoted that Kulothunga is NOT Kirumi kanda cholan.
I read an article in www.tamilhindu.com yesterday (it was posted 2 months back) and found one intersting point, which I thought will share with the group...
The article is about the Srirangam temple and also talks about 'Sri Vaishnava Sri's 'Koil Ozhugu'. The author has handled the subject very well... The most interesting part is the last paragraph of this article.
"பிறகு ஸ்ரீவைஷ்ணவஸ்ரீ அவர்கள் பதிப்பித்திருக்கும் கோயிலொழுகின் முதல் இரண்டு பாகங்களைப் படித்தபோது, அதில் இந்தப் படையெடுப்பு மற்றும் பல சம்பவங்கள் தொடர்பான அனைத்து ஆதாரங்களும் தெளிவாக விளக்கப் பட்டிருந்தன. முத்துவீரப்ப நாயக்கன் காலத்தின் கிறிஸ்தவ மதமாற்ற முயற்சிகள் பற்றியும் பல செய்திகள் கிடைத்தன. ஸ்ரீராமானுஜர் வரலாற்றில் அவர் கர்நாடகத்திற்கு போக வேண்டிய நிர்பந்தம் குறித்து பல புகைமூட்டமான ஊகங்கள் உள்ளன. ராமானுஜரைத் தண்டிக்க அழைத்து வர ஆணையிட்டவனாக வைணவ குருபரம்பரை நூல்கள் குறிப்பிடும் *கிருமிகண்ட சோழன்* என்பவன் இரண்டாம் குலோத்துங்கன் அல்ல, *அவ்யபதேச்யன்* என்று குறிப்பிடப்படும் ஒரு குறுநில மன்னன் என்றும் அந்த நிகழ்வுகளின் பின்னுள்ள உள்நாட்டுக் கலகங்கள் பற்றியும் ஆதாரபூர்வமான செய்திகளை கோயிலொழுகு நூல் வழங்குகிறது."
its quoted that this information is in the first two parts of the 'Koil Ozhugu'. do anyone have the book?
if People can throw more light on this, it would be great.
The olgu and guruparaprabavam are supposedly the core works. Both are filled with glaring errors and need a critical review atleast from historic time line. I wrote about these in another form at length but was targeted for some abuse and hence left it at that!!
Vijay, I have more respect for traditional dates and events mainly because they are stable and are a "reference" while the rediscovered ones are interpretative evaluations from different sets of data and focus. New studies are always welcome so long as traditional versions are not vehemently denounced. You must revisit and restart. Sampath
*அவ்யபதேச்யன் - means *பெயரிட்டுக் கூறவும் தகுதியற்றவன் - * one who is fit not even to name !!
anyway, for good order sake - there are many specific references to the said King being a Chola in the Olugu and GuruParambarai - right from Mathiketta Cholan, Chola Kulam Nasikkum padi abichaaram etc.
Coming to the Olugu - the glaring errors have been attempted to be corrected in the revised version recently edited by Srivaishnavasri. He also recommended that a similar effort should be done for the Guruparambarai as well. This you will find in the preface of his newly released edited Olugu.
Some of the points you have to consider before we start this thread:
Actual dates of Sri Ramanuja, Koorathalwar ( his vaibavam - 1000th year was celebrated last year - same year as big temple consecration !!), the King Bittideva / Vishnuvardhana who reigned in Melcote and supported Udayavar - his dates.
Why i am saying this is, if you have time to read the Guruparamabarai - i will request you to read the about Sri Nathamunigal. He was the grandfather of Yamunacharayar who in his old age died with three fingers clenched just as Udayavar walked in. Long story but this is to just give you an idea of the period range. Now, the accepted date for Sri Nathamunigal is around 900 CE to 950 CE, giving time for the 2 generations. Now comes the tricky part, as per the Guruparampara - Sri Nathamunigal was a resident of Gangai Konda Cholapuram. He saw the Chola King and queen going hunting in Gangai Konda cholapuram and mistook them for Rama and Sita and followed them. He could not catch up with them and finally died at the gates of Gangai Konda Cholapuram. Yes, in the Nathamunigal Vaibavam there are 3 specific references to the place as Gangai Konda Cholapuram. Now we need to brush up our history to see if time travel were possible for we all know when the title Gangai Kondan and Gandai Konda cholpuram were coined !.
I know some of you will start jumping already, just read below
*The Guruparamparai belongs to that type of chronicle known as hagiology. It records the history of a religious movement by tracing the list of its successive spiritual preceptors. Its usefulness for an attempt at reconstructing the history of Vaisnavism in South India cannot be exaggerated. To this type belong the Arayirappadi Guruparamparai of Pinbalagiya Perumal Jiyar, the Guruparamparai of the third Barahmatantra Swatantra Jiyar, the Divyasuricaritam and the Prapannamrtam of Anantarya, the first two being Tamil (Manipravalam) works and the next two Sanskrit. The Acaryasuktimuktavali by Namburi Kesavacarya, also called Vaduga Nambi or Andhrapurna, is a similar hagiology in Telugu. Of these the earliest is the Aryirappadi Guruparamparai whose author is, according to well-known Vaisnava tradition, assigned to the first half of the 13th century.
* If you take Koyil Olugu:
The Period (life span only is only fixed) of Sri Ramanuja itself has oscillated between many dates. There are many contrasting accounts / dates for the Melcote visit. These are well documented and i dont claim to be the first to point about these. The most glaring mistake ( i term it as a mistake not inconsistency) - is the sequence of events - 1314 is an important year - a 6 month period which shook the foundation of ever major temple -
*A perusal of the Koil-Olugu shows that the sequence of events adopted is jumbled, e.g., the period of the Acaryas is dealt with after the first Muslim attack on Srirangam. Certain events or names are repeated in a different context; this was perhaps because an accountant recorded certain past events in the diary without liquiring whether the same had been recorded or not by a predecessor of his. The jumbled sequence might have been due to the constant resuscitations of the original due to the vicissitudes of history and the imperfections and shortcomings of scribes. It is also possible that a scribe while making a copy made his own interpolations. The Olugu maintains a fairly correct sequence of events while dealing with the Vijayanagar period and after.*
*With its many imperfections in sequence, chronology and language9 *
* *Fantastic usage of the english language and i hope the site is not pulled down or the author castigated for writing such.
. இவர்கள் சுட்டும் `சோழன்` யார்? அவன் சிற்றரசனா? பேரரசனா?
There are accounts of many Pandya's ruling at the same time concurrently, but with the cholas especially in the period that is ascertainable to this discussion - their regnal years are distinct including co ruler, reagent - rajakesari/para kesari etc. Below is the list of chola kings of that period. For a king to cause a great person like sri Ramanuja to leave the land, he cannot have been a citrarasan anyway!!
Rajaraja Chola I 985–1014 Rajendra Chola I 1012–1044 Rajadhiraja Chola 1018–1054 Rajendra Chola II 1051–1063 Virarajendra Chola 1063–1070 Athirajendra Chola 1067–1070 Kulothunga Chola I 1070–1120 Vikrama Chola 1118–1135 Kulothunga Chola II 1133–1150 Rajaraja Chola II 1146–1163 Rajadhiraja Chola II 1163–1178 Kulothunga Chola III 1178–1218 Rajaraja Chola III 1216–1256
Now, can we fill in the dates for Sri Ramanujar's lifetime starting with his date of birth, his stay in melcote with starting date.
Thanks for the detailed mail. I remember you sharing most of these details during our trip last year. We had a long debate on this in the van.. :)
But the point I was trying to understand is....the article says, Srivaishnavasrhir has established with evidence that it is avyapdyesyan and not kulothunga. So was thrilled to read this and wanted to know what is the proof and who this avyapdyesyan was?
what is there in Koil olugu about this is my curiosity..